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Post by ebonyraptor on May 2, 2024 11:22:05 GMT -6
I think getting Bedard changed things. I don’t think they want to disappoint the kid and keep on tanking. If I were GM. I would like to have 3 years in the bottom 5, then build back up. So I feel the Hawks have had 3 years in the bottom 5. Unfortunately due to the Seth trade. Hawks had no first rounder. However they ended up with 3. I believe KD when he talks. He’s not bullshitting. I think he’s getting rid of the guys that mailed it in, like TJ and a couple others. So I think we’ll see 2-3 free agents. Probably not big big names. But guys that can help stop the bleeding. Then he’ll try and pick up a good player or two in trades. He’s gonna want to make Bedard happy and keep it that way. There’s always future trades when kids are ready. They can trade the guys they will sign this off season, if the kids are ready. It should be exciting this off season!!! You are right on with this they had a skeleton crew working business opps and I believe the plan was to be bad for 5 years. After the draft they had to scramble to hire people cancelled on ice activities for prospect camp in part because they did not know how to handle it. Now you have this face of the league organization comes off as asses if they let him tank for 3 more years. I can tell when KD is throwing out BS he always follows his BS with. With that being said.......... It will be a little exciting this summer hopefully no more blue light specials time to see what this analytical department can do. I think that is total horse dung - unsubstantiated total horse dung. The notion they chose to have off-ice development camp rather than traditional on-ice development camp because they didn't have anyone on staff who knew how to conduct on-ice camp is preposterous. Furthermore, when KD announced the framework of the rebuild it was intentionally left open-ended because to unequivocally affix a timeline to a process fraught with uncertainties and uncontrollable variables would have been disingenuous and frankly stupid. He stated clearly there would be a lot of losing to get top draft picks but that at some point they would transition into a second phase of the rebuild with the key phrase being "at some point" because - again - he couldn't know when that would be. At no point did he imply nor should we have inferred the plan was to lose for 5 years - that's purely projection by those who want to see it that way. Could the unforeseen good fortune of drafting Bedard sped up the process? Sure - just like any number of other things that did or could have happened might have affected the timeline of the rebuild process - but it's still the same rebuild process KD announced 2 years ago with same planned for transition from phase-1 to phase-2 - it just so happens he and his team think the time is right to do so now rather than after next season or the season after that. It might just be that simple and straight forward - no deceitful double dealings necessary. |
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Post by BigT on May 2, 2024 19:33:56 GMT -6
ER. If they didn’t get Bedard. Do you honestly believe the Hawks would get out of the cellar in the next couple years? I don’t. I think the team would be bad for 3 more years. They’d load up until the multiple first rounders ended. They did that on purpose. Now they’ll use first rounders to better the team if they can. Bedard changed the course of the team by 2 years. Now they’re looking up. Instead of whatever happens, happens!!!
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Post by OldTimeHawky on May 2, 2024 19:41:29 GMT -6
ER. If they didn’t get Bedard. Do you honestly believe the Hawks would get out of the cellar in the next couple years? I don’t. I think the team would be bad for 3 more years. They’d load up until the multiple first rounders ended. They did that on purpose. Now they’ll use first rounders to better the team if they can. Bedard changed the course of the team by 2 years. Now they’re looking up. Instead of whatever happens, happens!!! You asked ER but I'll chime in, with the amount of picks accumulated since KDs first draft, plus picks going back to 2019, if they didn't get Bedard they'd only be a year out. But with Bedard KD has to start signing and trading for help now. He won't max the cap for another year or 2 but as he said, they need to start improving now. |
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Post by ebonyraptor on May 2, 2024 21:21:44 GMT -6
ER. If they didn’t get Bedard. Do you honestly believe the Hawks would get out of the cellar in the next couple years? I don’t. I think the team would be bad for 3 more years. They’d load up until the multiple first rounders ended. They did that on purpose. Now they’ll use first rounders to better the team if they can. Bedard changed the course of the team by 2 years. Now they’re looking up. Instead of whatever happens, happens!!! I think getting Bedard probably sped up the rebuild timeline but I also believe the rebuild plan is fundamentally sound irrespective of the timeline. So, yes, I believe the Hawks would have transitioned from phase-1 of the rebuild to phase-2 which in essence is going from phase-1 (cellar) to phase-2 (out of cellar) within the next year or two. I started this thread because I thought it was going to take a year (or more) longer than I originally thought when the rebuild was started - then KD had his press conference and stated he thought it was time to "take the next step" - which more or less negated the purpose of this thread - at least from my perspective. |
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Post by BigT on May 3, 2024 6:44:24 GMT -6
ER. If they didn’t get Bedard. Do you honestly believe the Hawks would get out of the cellar in the next couple years? I don’t. I think the team would be bad for 3 more years. They’d load up until the multiple first rounders ended. They did that on purpose. Now they’ll use first rounders to better the team if they can. Bedard changed the course of the team by 2 years. Now they’re looking up. Instead of whatever happens, happens!!! I think getting Bedard probably sped up the rebuild timeline but I also believe the rebuild plan is fundamentally sound irrespective of the timeline. So, yes, I believe the Hawks would have transitioned from phase-1 of the rebuild to phase-2 which in essence is going from phase-1 (cellar) to phase-2 (out of cellar) within the next year or two. I started this thread because I thought it was going to take a year (or more) longer than I originally thought when the rebuild was started - then KD had his press conference and stated he thought it was time to "take the next step" - which more or less negated the purpose of this thread - at least from my perspective. That’s basically my whole point. If they got say Carlsson. I think that tanking would be acceptable for the next two years. They’d bring him along slowly. With Bedard, the pressure is on to put forth a respectable roster. He made no attempt to better the roster this year when they were bad. And rightfully so. The team sucked and he loved it. He gets another top pick to use and now he has draft capital to better the team. If Bedard wasn’t here. He’d be collecting draft capital and looking for more and more. So I do believe Edward is speeding this up by 2 years!!! |
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Post by hsbob on May 3, 2024 7:59:07 GMT -6
You are right on with this they had a skeleton crew working business opps and I believe the plan was to be bad for 5 years. After the draft they had to scramble to hire people cancelled on ice activities for prospect camp in part because they did not know how to handle it. Now you have this face of the league organization comes off as asses if they let him tank for 3 more years. I can tell when KD is throwing out BS he always follows his BS with. With that being said.......... It will be a little exciting this summer hopefully no more blue light specials time to see what this analytical department can do. I think that is total horse dung - unsubstantiated total horse dung. The notion they chose to have off-ice development camp rather than traditional on-ice development camp because they didn't have anyone on staff who knew how to conduct on-ice camp is preposterous. Furthermore, when KD announced the framework of the rebuild it was intentionally left open-ended because to unequivocally affix a timeline to a process fraught with uncertainties and uncontrollable variables would have been disingenuous and frankly stupid. He stated clearly there would be a lot of losing to get top draft picks but that at some point they would transition into a second phase of the rebuild with the key phrase being "at some point" because - again - he couldn't know when that would be. At no point did he imply nor should we have inferred the plan was to lose for 5 years - that's purely projection by those who want to see it that way. Could the unforeseen good fortune of drafting Bedard sped up the process? Sure - just like any number of other things that did or could have happened might have affected the timeline of the rebuild process - but it's still the same rebuild process KD announced 2 years ago with same planned for transition from phase-1 to phase-2 - it just so happens he and his team think the time is right to do so now rather than after next season or the season after that. It might just be that simple and straight forward - no deceitful double dealings necessary. C'mon now ER,we've both 'mucked-out' our share of stalls if I recall........."horse dung"? BB's opinion might be accurate, and it might not and you have every right to disagree and point out what you consider inaccurate, but the guy's still a STH who's spent more time and money on the team last year alone than most of the rest of us combined. I think that matters. If the young GM does decide to expedite his rebuild this summer because the system is already well stocked with more to come and a few young players have already acclimated well,it can mean things are ahead of schedule. It can also mean the young GM isn't stubborn and is willing to adapt his vision,seeing the rebuild process as fluid. I've been advocating for this and I'll support it. I may not share the confidence in the young GM that you and some others have,but make no mistake.....if things work-out,I'll be happy to give the young man his due! Do I believe the team had the personnel to conduct a traditional development camp if they chose to? I do,there's a few ex-players on the staff who've been through em. Why the unorthodox,no on-ice activities last summer? The 'outside the box' approach which has never been done by us or any other team in the past was meant to give the kids a mental break from the game,devoting time to other issues the training and coaching staffs felt important,going by management's statement. This approach might have long-term benifits,who knows,but those three days of hockey gave every single member of the FO,the coaching staff and the scouting staff a chance to 'eye-ball' every single prospect for three straight days in the past. I don't believe there's another opportunity to assess so many young players at the same time in such a short time-frame. I went to many,and the scrimmages were often spirited affairs,very much enjoyed by those in attendance. I realize things change as I get older though and I'll try to be less stubborn about those changes too I guess. |
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Post by ebonyraptor on May 3, 2024 12:02:39 GMT -6
I think getting Bedard probably sped up the rebuild timeline but I also believe the rebuild plan is fundamentally sound irrespective of the timeline. So, yes, I believe the Hawks would have transitioned from phase-1 of the rebuild to phase-2 which in essence is going from phase-1 (cellar) to phase-2 (out of cellar) within the next year or two. I started this thread because I thought it was going to take a year (or more) longer than I originally thought when the rebuild was started - then KD had his press conference and stated he thought it was time to "take the next step" - which more or less negated the purpose of this thread - at least from my perspective. That’s basically my whole point. If they got say Carlsson. I think that tanking would be acceptable for the next two years. They’d bring him along slowly. With Bedard, the pressure is on to put forth a respectable roster. He made no attempt to better the roster this year when they were bad. And rightfully so. The team sucked and he loved it. He gets another top pick to use and now he has draft capital to better the team. If Bedard wasn’t here. He’d be collecting draft capital and looking for more and more. So I do believe Edward is speeding this up by 2 years!!! I agree with the premise that getting Carlsson instead of Bedard would most likely not had the same accelerated affect but I don't think that indicates KD has "changed the plan" - I think it means circumstances dictated the phase-1 to phase-2 transition should be done sooner than later. While the overall tenor of the 2023/24 season was pretty low - from the rebuild timeline perspective it was actually pretty good. First and foremost - Bedard proved he was who we thought he would be - still some areas to improve but no doubt he is the centerpiece of the rebuild. The next area of discovery heading into last season was the d-prospects - which guys were "keepers" and what could be expected moving forward? The question was answered is a positive big way. And while Reichel didn't take the next step as hoped - Kurashev did so that's more or less a wash in terms of rebuild plans. They also identified and locked up 2 veteran forwards in Foligno and Dickenson and 1 veteran goalie in Mrazek to bridge over the next two seasons as more permanent pieces are brought into the lineup as phase-2 of the rebuild process moves forward. |
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Post by ebonyraptor on May 3, 2024 12:28:40 GMT -6
I think that is total horse dung - unsubstantiated total horse dung. The notion they chose to have off-ice development camp rather than traditional on-ice development camp because they didn't have anyone on staff who knew how to conduct on-ice camp is preposterous. Furthermore, when KD announced the framework of the rebuild it was intentionally left open-ended because to unequivocally affix a timeline to a process fraught with uncertainties and uncontrollable variables would have been disingenuous and frankly stupid. He stated clearly there would be a lot of losing to get top draft picks but that at some point they would transition into a second phase of the rebuild with the key phrase being "at some point" because - again - he couldn't know when that would be. At no point did he imply nor should we have inferred the plan was to lose for 5 years - that's purely projection by those who want to see it that way. Could the unforeseen good fortune of drafting Bedard sped up the process? Sure - just like any number of other things that did or could have happened might have affected the timeline of the rebuild process - but it's still the same rebuild process KD announced 2 years ago with same planned for transition from phase-1 to phase-2 - it just so happens he and his team think the time is right to do so now rather than after next season or the season after that. It might just be that simple and straight forward - no deceitful double dealings necessary. C'mon now ER,we've both 'mucked-out' our share of stalls if I recall........."horse dung"? BB's opinion might be accurate, and it might not and you have every right to disagree and point out what you consider inaccurate, but the guy's still a STH who's spent more time and money on the team last year alone than most of the rest of us combined. I think that matters. If the young GM does decide to expedite his rebuild this summer because the system is already well stocked with more to come and a few young players have already acclimated well,it can mean things are ahead of schedule. It can also mean the young GM isn't stubborn and is willing to adapt his vision,seeing the rebuild process as fluid. I've been advocating for this and I'll support it. I may not share the confidence in the young GM that you and some others have,but make no mistake.....if things work-out,I'll be happy to give the young man his due! Do I believe the team had the personnel to conduct a traditional development camp if they chose to? I do,there's a few ex-players on the staff who've been through em. Why the unorthodox,no on-ice activities last summer? The 'outside the box' approach which has never been done by us or any other team in the past was meant to give the kids a mental break from the game,devoting time to other issues the training and coaching staffs felt important,going by management's statement. This approach might have long-term benifits,who knows,but those three days of hockey gave every single member of the FO,the coaching staff and the scouting staff a chance to 'eye-ball' every single prospect for three straight days in the past. I don't believe there's another opportunity to assess so many young players at the same time in such a short time-frame. I went to many,and the scrimmages were often spirited affairs,very much enjoyed by those in attendance. I realize things change as I get older though and I'll try to be less stubborn about those changes too I guess. Bob - your comment is correct in at least a couple things - first (after re-reading it) it could have come across as an attack on BB more so than a repudiation of his opinions as stated in the comment. To be clear - I did not intend to attack BB personally - I have posted with him many times on many topics and I have no more right to attack him personally than he has me - so I apologize if my post came across that way - it wasn't my intention. And you're also correct regarding shoveling horse poop - I've done a whole lot of that over the years. Haul in the hay, grain and water and haul out the after effects.  Not doing it anymore though - gave the horses to a friend after my wife passed. Do I miss it? I miss them - not the horse poop. Regarding the off-ice development camp - yes, I find it preposterous the notion they didn't have it be the traditional on-ice program because they were not prepared for it with lack of personnel or knowledge or both. The development camp requirement didn't just pop up out of nowhere - like whoa - didn't see that coming. KD and his staff had an on-ice development program after his first draft in 2022 and that seemed to go pretty normally, like every other post draft development camp for decades prior. Furthermore - which do you think would take more planning and execution - an on-ice program that has been done a million times before or a totally new concept of off-ice activities? BB - not a personal attack and if you want to think KD is lying about stuff he says - maybe you're correct - I don't know for sure one way or another. But if you're going to try to sell the notion that the on-ice program was changed to off-ice because KD was surprised and unprepared he would need to have an on-ice development camp - I call horse dung. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on May 3, 2024 12:50:38 GMT -6
C'mon now ER,we've both 'mucked-out' our share of stalls if I recall........."horse dung"? BB's opinion might be accurate, and it might not and you have every right to disagree and point out what you consider inaccurate, but the guy's still a STH who's spent more time and money on the team last year alone than most of the rest of us combined. I think that matters. If the young GM does decide to expedite his rebuild this summer because the system is already well stocked with more to come and a few young players have already acclimated well,it can mean things are ahead of schedule. It can also mean the young GM isn't stubborn and is willing to adapt his vision,seeing the rebuild process as fluid. I've been advocating for this and I'll support it. I may not share the confidence in the young GM that you and some others have,but make no mistake.....if things work-out,I'll be happy to give the young man his due! Do I believe the team had the personnel to conduct a traditional development camp if they chose to? I do,there's a few ex-players on the staff who've been through em. Why the unorthodox,no on-ice activities last summer? The 'outside the box' approach which has never been done by us or any other team in the past was meant to give the kids a mental break from the game,devoting time to other issues the training and coaching staffs felt important,going by management's statement. This approach might have long-term benifits,who knows,but those three days of hockey gave every single member of the FO,the coaching staff and the scouting staff a chance to 'eye-ball' every single prospect for three straight days in the past. I don't believe there's another opportunity to assess so many young players at the same time in such a short time-frame. I went to many,and the scrimmages were often spirited affairs,very much enjoyed by those in attendance. I realize things change as I get older though and I'll try to be less stubborn about those changes too I guess. Bob - your comment is correct in at least a couple things - first (after re-reading it) it could have come across as an attack on BB more so than a repudiation of his opinions as stated in the comment. To be clear - I did not intend to attack BB personally - I have posted with him many times on many topics and I have no more right to attack him personally than he has me - so I apologize if my post came across that way - it wasn't my intention. And you're also correct regarding shoveling horse poop - I've done a whole lot of that over the years. Haul in the hay, grain and water and haul out the after effects. Not doing it anymore though - gave the horses to a friend after my wife passed. Do I miss it? I miss them - not the horse poop. Regarding the off-ice development camp - yes, I find it preposterous the notion they didn't have it be the traditional on-ice program because they were not prepared for it with lack of personnel or knowledge or both. The development camp requirement didn't just pop up out of nowhere - like whoa - didn't see that coming. KD and his staff had an on-ice development program after his first draft in 2022 and that seemed to go pretty normally, like every other post draft development camp for decades prior. Furthermore - which do you think would take more planning and execution - an on-ice program that has been done a million times before or a totally new concept of off-ice activities? BB - not a personal attack and if you want to think KD is lying about stuff he says - maybe you're correct - I don't know for sure one way or another. But if you're going to try to sell the notion that the on-ice program was changed to off-ice because KD was surprised and unprepared he would need to have an on-ice development camp - I call horse dung. Fully agree about KD being surprised and not prepared so they did off-ice, sounds much harder to plan what they did. And the concensus from the prospects was very positive. It's easier in the offseason to just let the young guys get familiar with the staff, facilities, each other. Instead of lacing them up and doing drills and scrimmage, that's another reason they stopped it, sometimes in those scrimmages there's guys trying to make themselves seen with big hits and fights, that could lead to injures and animosity towards each other. After last years off-ice program the guys seemed pretty close, that's what you want with the young guys. |
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Post by BigT on May 5, 2024 15:37:00 GMT -6
We’ve had much discussion on here, especially about how other teams have done things. Like LA, Boston, and especially the Rags. I think LA is in a bad situation. Boston is in the middle of those 3. Never get too far but always competitive. The Rags have looked the best.
The best thing about the Rags is that they had a #1 and a #2 overall. Both those players are aren’t leading the charge. They’ve done a great job at trading for and plucking talent from everywhere. Their defense is basically made up from trades. Fox, Lindgren, Trouba all came via trades. Then drafted some good players in Miller, Cuylle, Shesterkin, Schnieder etc.
Then their free agent signings have been great like Panera, Goodrow, Trochek. The Hawks could do similar over the next 2-3 years and also have a stacked farm system. Then they can just build from within. Once an older guy has a contract expire. Let em walk or trade them, and bring in a kid!!!
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Post by bigbarn27 on May 6, 2024 3:14:59 GMT -6
C'mon now ER,we've both 'mucked-out' our share of stalls if I recall........."horse dung"? BB's opinion might be accurate, and it might not and you have every right to disagree and point out what you consider inaccurate, but the guy's still a STH who's spent more time and money on the team last year alone than most of the rest of us combined. I think that matters. If the young GM does decide to expedite his rebuild this summer because the system is already well stocked with more to come and a few young players have already acclimated well,it can mean things are ahead of schedule. It can also mean the young GM isn't stubborn and is willing to adapt his vision,seeing the rebuild process as fluid. I've been advocating for this and I'll support it. I may not share the confidence in the young GM that you and some others have,but make no mistake.....if things work-out,I'll be happy to give the young man his due! Do I believe the team had the personnel to conduct a traditional development camp if they chose to? I do,there's a few ex-players on the staff who've been through em. Why the unorthodox,no on-ice activities last summer? The 'outside the box' approach which has never been done by us or any other team in the past was meant to give the kids a mental break from the game,devoting time to other issues the training and coaching staffs felt important,going by management's statement. This approach might have long-term benifits,who knows,but those three days of hockey gave every single member of the FO,the coaching staff and the scouting staff a chance to 'eye-ball' every single prospect for three straight days in the past. I don't believe there's another opportunity to assess so many young players at the same time in such a short time-frame. I went to many,and the scrimmages were often spirited affairs,very much enjoyed by those in attendance. I realize things change as I get older though and I'll try to be less stubborn about those changes too I guess. Bob - your comment is correct in at least a couple things - first (after re-reading it) it could have come across as an attack on BB more so than a repudiation of his opinions as stated in the comment. To be clear - I did not intend to attack BB personally - I have posted with him many times on many topics and I have no more right to attack him personally than he has me - so I apologize if my post came across that way - it wasn't my intention. And you're also correct regarding shoveling horse poop - I've done a whole lot of that over the years. Haul in the hay, grain and water and haul out the after effects. Not doing it anymore though - gave the horses to a friend after my wife passed. Do I miss it? I miss them - not the horse poop. Regarding the off-ice development camp - yes, I find it preposterous the notion they didn't have it be the traditional on-ice program because they were not prepared for it with lack of personnel or knowledge or both. The development camp requirement didn't just pop up out of nowhere - like whoa - didn't see that coming. KD and his staff had an on-ice development program after his first draft in 2022 and that seemed to go pretty normally, like every other post draft development camp for decades prior. Furthermore - which do you think would take more planning and execution - an on-ice program that has been done a million times before or a totally new concept of off-ice activities? BB - not a personal attack and if you want to think KD is lying about stuff he says - maybe you're correct - I don't know for sure one way or another. But if you're going to try to sell the notion that the on-ice program was changed to off-ice because KD was surprised and unprepared he would need to have an on-ice development camp - I call horse dung. Sorry boys took 4 days of the boards went to Vegas with my woman. Yeah you might have gone at me a little hard ER but no harm no foul I dont take this stuff personally(for the most part) The 22 prospect camp was a slight shit show. Couple hoops we had to jump through yes all 25 of us. ER if you believe doing camp with well over 3000 people wanting to go is the same as 25 ok. But for starters it would have needed to be held at the UC. They did not have enough people to undertake this task. Again 22 there were about 25 0f us at camp. 23 might have been 5000 people Ill say it again they were not ready for it. |
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Post by hsbob on May 6, 2024 9:00:48 GMT -6
Bob - your comment is correct in at least a couple things - first (after re-reading it) it could have come across as an attack on BB more so than a repudiation of his opinions as stated in the comment. To be clear - I did not intend to attack BB personally - I have posted with him many times on many topics and I have no more right to attack him personally than he has me - so I apologize if my post came across that way - it wasn't my intention. And you're also correct regarding shoveling horse poop - I've done a whole lot of that over the years. Haul in the hay, grain and water and haul out the after effects. Not doing it anymore though - gave the horses to a friend after my wife passed. Do I miss it? I miss them - not the horse poop. Regarding the off-ice development camp - yes, I find it preposterous the notion they didn't have it be the traditional on-ice program because they were not prepared for it with lack of personnel or knowledge or both. The development camp requirement didn't just pop up out of nowhere - like whoa - didn't see that coming. KD and his staff had an on-ice development program after his first draft in 2022 and that seemed to go pretty normally, like every other post draft development camp for decades prior. Furthermore - which do you think would take more planning and execution - an on-ice program that has been done a million times before or a totally new concept of off-ice activities? BB - not a personal attack and if you want to think KD is lying about stuff he says - maybe you're correct - I don't know for sure one way or another. But if you're going to try to sell the notion that the on-ice program was changed to off-ice because KD was surprised and unprepared he would need to have an on-ice development camp - I call horse dung. Sorry boys took 4 days of the boards went to Vegas with my woman. Yeah you might have gone at me a little hard ER but no harm no foul I dont take this stuff personally(for the most part) The 22 prospect camp was a slight shit show. Couple hoops we had to jump through yes all 25 of us. ER if you believe doing camp with well over 3000 people wanting to go is the same as 25 ok. But for starters it would have needed to be held at the UC. They did not have enough people to undertake this task. Again 22 there were about 25 0f us at camp. 23 might have been 5000 people Ill say it again they were not ready for it. A traditional prospect camp including Conor Bedard skating in daily scrimmages would have definitely created a LOT of excitement. The fan and media attendance would have been massive like you said,maybe they weren't ready for it and maybe they just didn't want the circus atmosphere......I don't know for sure. I suspect experienced director of security Brian Higgins could have facilitated a safe event if given enough time but I also suspect the new FO wanted to do some 'outside the box' thinking.....taking the game in 'A new direction' is paramount to Danny,Jaime and Kyle. I also thought a widely publicized prospect camp featuring Bedard could have created a lot of ticket-sales energy but attendance seemed to be surprisingly good regardless. I still remember Bedard saying it was the first time he hadn't had skates on for three straight days he could remember,but learning how to breath and cook can go a long way too I guess. |
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Post by ebonyraptor on May 6, 2024 11:52:00 GMT -6
Bob - your comment is correct in at least a couple things - first (after re-reading it) it could have come across as an attack on BB more so than a repudiation of his opinions as stated in the comment. To be clear - I did not intend to attack BB personally - I have posted with him many times on many topics and I have no more right to attack him personally than he has me - so I apologize if my post came across that way - it wasn't my intention. And you're also correct regarding shoveling horse poop - I've done a whole lot of that over the years. Haul in the hay, grain and water and haul out the after effects. Not doing it anymore though - gave the horses to a friend after my wife passed. Do I miss it? I miss them - not the horse poop. Regarding the off-ice development camp - yes, I find it preposterous the notion they didn't have it be the traditional on-ice program because they were not prepared for it with lack of personnel or knowledge or both. The development camp requirement didn't just pop up out of nowhere - like whoa - didn't see that coming. KD and his staff had an on-ice development program after his first draft in 2022 and that seemed to go pretty normally, like every other post draft development camp for decades prior. Furthermore - which do you think would take more planning and execution - an on-ice program that has been done a million times before or a totally new concept of off-ice activities? BB - not a personal attack and if you want to think KD is lying about stuff he says - maybe you're correct - I don't know for sure one way or another. But if you're going to try to sell the notion that the on-ice program was changed to off-ice because KD was surprised and unprepared he would need to have an on-ice development camp - I call horse dung. Sorry boys took 4 days of the boards went to Vegas with my woman. Yeah you might have gone at me a little hard ER but no harm no foul I dont take this stuff personally(for the most part) The 22 prospect camp was a slight shit show. Couple hoops we had to jump through yes all 25 of us. ER if you believe doing camp with well over 3000 people wanting to go is the same as 25 ok. But for starters it would have needed to be held at the UC. They did not have enough people to undertake this task. Again 22 there were about 25 0f us at camp. 23 might have been 5000 people Ill say it again they were not ready for it. I probably read it wrong because I didn't think you meant he wasn't prepared precisely for the anticipated crowd of people wanting to ogle Bedard. It makes sense now with that context. |
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Post by hawkfaninpdx on May 6, 2024 13:07:36 GMT -6
I think that in the next couple of seasons Hawks should stock up on capable 2/3 liners or former 1st liners who still have a little bit left in the tank. They need to become a competitive not-lose-by-default team. That will give them an opportunity to cull through their pool of prospects, at which point they can bring one or two top-tier free agents, a la Hossa.
The meteoric rise of the previous Hawks dynasty is very unlikely to be replicated, mainly because it was so...unlikely. On the balance, I would prefer a competitive regular season team that makes playoffs and then has a chance to go deep in the playoffs. In other words, if they are in the mold of Boston, I will be happy. Will Boston be taking the cup? Probably not. Is it absolutely impossible. Definitely not.
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Post by Hockey is great on May 6, 2024 14:21:45 GMT -6
Marner for seth gonna happen
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Post by jacksalmon on May 6, 2024 15:27:17 GMT -6
Where do the Hawks stand on 2024/25 cap space allocated to players under contract: Forwards = $26M (9): Hall, Foligno, Dickenson, Athansiou, Kurashev, Donato, Bedard, Nazar, Slaggert D-men = $15M (3): Jones, Murphy, Korchinski Goalies = $6M (2): Mrazek, Soderblom Other = $3M (2): McCabe, Bailey Anticipated re-signings = $8M (2): Vlassic, Reichel Total allocated = $58M (16 roster spots - still need 7 more roster spots) Anticipate cap floor/ceiling: $64.5M / $87M The Hawks will have $29M in cap space to sign 3 more forwards and 4 more d-men. Why would they resign Reichel? With $29M in cap space to sign 7 more guys, they ain't gonna be gettin' no stars. So, where does that leave them? By the way, my head is spinning trying to understand all the scenarios posed by posters in the last 20 posts. I can't keep up with you all. I guess I'll just wait and see what KD does instead of trying to guess what he'll do. There will still plenty of time to speculate and postulate when we know exactly who they in next year's lineup. But, in the meantime, you all can keep having fun with forecasting the future. I gives one something to do. |
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Post by hawkfaninpdx on May 6, 2024 15:32:42 GMT -6
Marner for seth gonna happen Umm...I hope not. At least not in the next season. For what it's worth, Seth is still the top point producing d-man on the Hawks. He's a good player, albeit not as consistent as one would want. |
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Post by ebonyraptor on May 6, 2024 15:43:11 GMT -6
Where do the Hawks stand on 2024/25 cap space allocated to players under contract: Forwards = $26M (9): Hall, Foligno, Dickenson, Athansiou, Kurashev, Donato, Bedard, Nazar, Slaggert D-men = $15M (3): Jones, Murphy, Korchinski Goalies = $6M (2): Mrazek, Soderblom Other = $3M (2): McCabe, Bailey Anticipated re-signings = $8M (2): Vlassic, Reichel Total allocated = $58M (16 roster spots - still need 7 more roster spots) Anticipate cap floor/ceiling: $64.5M / $87M The Hawks will have $29M in cap space to sign 3 more forwards and 4 more d-men. With $29M in cap space to sign 7 more guys, they ain't gonna be gettin' no stars. So, where does that leave them? By the way, my head is spinning trying to understand all the scenarios posed by posters in the last 20 posts. I can't keep up with you all. I guess I'll just wait and see what KD does instead of trying to guess what he'll do. There will still plenty of time to speculate and postulate when we know exactly who they in next year's lineup. But, in the meantime, you all can keep having fun with forecasting the future. I gives one something to do. Are you suggesting they should not resign him? |
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Post by Hockey is great on May 6, 2024 15:48:16 GMT -6
Marner for seth gonna happen Umm...I hope not. At least not in the next season. For what it's worth, Seth is still the top point producing d-man on the Hawks. He's a good player, albeit not as consistent as one would want. I understand that I just would want that contract length off the books |
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Post by 2old4this on May 6, 2024 18:34:56 GMT -6
I think that in the next couple of seasons Hawks should stock up on capable 2/3 liners or former 1st liners who still have a little bit left in the tank. They need to become a competitive not-lose-by-default team. That will give them an opportunity to cull through their pool of prospects, at which point they can bring one or two top-tier free agents, a la Hossa. The meteoric rise of the previous Hawks dynasty is very unlikely to be replicated, mainly because it was so...unlikely. On the balance, I would prefer a competitive regular season team that makes playoffs and then has a chance to go deep in the playoffs. In other words, if they are in the mold of Boston, I will be happy. Will Boston be taking the cup? Probably not. Is it absolutely impossible. Definitely not. Not aimed at anyone....just wondering how many seasons does the rebuild have to go on before it can be called a failure? I am not hoping for that to happen, but I know there are people here who feel that it will fail. So lets hear from you guys! |
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Post by mvr on May 6, 2024 19:33:02 GMT -6
The Blackhawks lost 53 times this year in regulation plus another 6 in overtime.
The Dallas Stars won the Conference this year with 52 wins, including overtime.
We have already experienced three dreadful seasons under Davidson. We will need several good ones just to break even.
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Post by BigT on May 6, 2024 20:04:20 GMT -6
The Blackhawks lost 53 times this year in regulation plus another 6 in overtime. The Dallas Stars won the Conference this year with 52 wins, including overtime. We have already experienced three dreadful seasons under Davidson. We will need several good ones just to break even. Breaking even isn’t part of the plan. If the Hawks win 40 games next year. What happened in the past has nothing to do with the present. Let’s hope he’s serious about making the team better. Every year we see good young players move. I don’t expect 40 wins. But we should see a better result. 23 wins isn’t good. I’d like to see 30. And I don’t think that’s out of the question. Gotta think Bedard will get 80+ points. With Hall and AA here for the year. That should be a lot better than the shit they rolled out this year. I think adding in Nasar and Slagert will help a lot too. Plus Megna will be destroyed and never seen again. EDM will move in. Team will be much better. We don’t need to worry about past aggregate. That’s for soccer!!! |
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Post by bigbarn27 on May 6, 2024 20:23:43 GMT -6
Sorry boys took 4 days of the boards went to Vegas with my woman. Yeah you might have gone at me a little hard ER but no harm no foul I dont take this stuff personally(for the most part) The 22 prospect camp was a slight shit show. Couple hoops we had to jump through yes all 25 of us. ER if you believe doing camp with well over 3000 people wanting to go is the same as 25 ok. But for starters it would have needed to be held at the UC. They did not have enough people to undertake this task. Again 22 there were about 25 0f us at camp. 23 might have been 5000 people Ill say it again they were not ready for it. A traditional prospect camp including Conor Bedard skating in daily scrimmages would have definitely created a LOT of excitement. The fan and media attendance would have been massive like you said,maybe they weren't ready for it and maybe they just didn't want the circus atmosphere......I don't know for sure. I suspect experienced director of security Brian Higgins could have facilitated a safe event if given enough time but I also suspect the new FO wanted to do some 'outside the box' thinking.....taking the game in 'A new direction' is paramount to Danny,Jaime and Kyle. I also thought a widely publicized prospect camp featuring Bedard could have created a lot of ticket-sales energy but attendance seemed to be surprisingly good regardless. I still remember Bedard saying it was the first time he hadn't had skates on for three straight days he could remember,but learning how to breath and cook can go a long way too I guess. They always spent time doing off ice stuff. They were only on ice for 2 hours a day I would assume most of the stuff they did they have done for many years except for the cooking and field trips. So now Kd doesnt expect the prospects to be on the ice for 2 months now of course not. As i said before it was a nice tool for fans to see these kids close up. And for me a chance to talk to kids parents and see there excitement. Lets move on |
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Post by jacksalmon on May 7, 2024 6:59:38 GMT -6
Why would they resign Reichel? With $29M in cap space to sign 7 more guys, they ain't gonna be gettin' no stars. So, where does that leave them? By the way, my head is spinning trying to understand all the scenarios posed by posters in the last 20 posts. I can't keep up with you all. I guess I'll just wait and see what KD does instead of trying to guess what he'll do. There will still plenty of time to speculate and postulate when we know exactly who they in next year's lineup. But, in the meantime, you all can keep having fun with forecasting the future. I gives one something to do. Are you suggesting they should not resign him? Of course that is an option, but my question was really meant to get an answer that tells me why this guy should be given another chance when he has failed to show much production so far in his career. |
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Post by T-man2010 on May 7, 2024 7:57:42 GMT -6
Are you suggesting they should not resign him? Of course that is an option, but my question was really meant to get an answer that tells me why this guy should be given another chance when he has failed to show much production so far in his career. He's 21 and his time in Rockford has been very productive. Over a PPG. I'd say a 2 year "show me what ya got" deal. If by then he doesn't show hugh jump to NHL level then it's time to go. |
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Post by hsbob on May 7, 2024 8:45:10 GMT -6
Are you suggesting they should not resign him? Of course that is an option, but my question was really meant to get an answer that tells me why this guy should be given another chance when he has failed to show much production so far in his career. T-man already mentioned his age but his RFA status and his weak offensive numbers so far will mean a reasonable contract and the team has the luxury of assessing the young player for another year or two w/o much pressure to win games over that span before they have to make a major decision on him. |
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Post by hsbob on May 7, 2024 9:23:20 GMT -6
I think that in the next couple of seasons Hawks should stock up on capable 2/3 liners or former 1st liners who still have a little bit left in the tank. They need to become a competitive not-lose-by-default team. That will give them an opportunity to cull through their pool of prospects, at which point they can bring one or two top-tier free agents, a la Hossa. The meteoric rise of the previous Hawks dynasty is very unlikely to be replicated, mainly because it was so...unlikely. On the balance, I would prefer a competitive regular season team that makes playoffs and then has a chance to go deep in the playoffs. In other words, if they are in the mold of Boston, I will be happy. Will Boston be taking the cup? Probably not. Is it absolutely impossible. Definitely not. Not aimed at anyone....just wondering how many seasons does the rebuild have to go on before it can be called a failure? I am not hoping for that to happen, but I know there are people here who feel that it will fail. So lets hear from you guys! I don't recall anyone predicting a failed rebuild,we've debated timelines and processes to either expedite the rebuild or to continue to stockpile picks. I'm probably considered less patient than most and probably not the new GM's biggest fan but,I don't see any way the team DOESN'T improve over the next 2-4yrs and by a good margin. The prospect pool will be formidable after this summer's draft,a few youngsters have already made a successful assimilation to the league and the cap-space to add the necessary pieces too. What level of improvement we see will depend on proper development of those prospect and solid decisions on trades and signings. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on May 7, 2024 9:50:23 GMT -6
The Blackhawks lost 53 times this year in regulation plus another 6 in overtime. The Dallas Stars won the Conference this year with 52 wins, including overtime. We have already experienced three dreadful seasons under Davidson. We will need several good ones just to break even. 3? His first season as an interim gm doesn't count because he wasn't allowed to do anything significant while they did interviews for the GM position. So last year was his first after he stripped the team down, that got Bedard, season TWO will get them a top4 pick. Now KDs gonna make some moves and help improve the team while his draft picks start filling out the roster, it won't be several years to break even. |
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Post by Nikos on May 7, 2024 10:50:30 GMT -6
Not aimed at anyone....just wondering how many seasons does the rebuild have to go on before it can be called a failure? I am not hoping for that to happen, but I know there are people here who feel that it will fail. So lets hear from you guys! I don't recall anyone predicting a failed rebuild,we've debated timelines and processes to either expedite the rebuild or to continue to stockpile picks. I'm probably considered less patient than most and probably not the new GM's biggest fan but,I don't see any way the team DOESN'T improve over the next 2-4yrs and by a good margin. The prospect pool will be formidable after this summer's draft,a few youngsters have already made a successful assimilation to the league and the cap-space to add the necessary pieces too. What level of improvement we see will depend on proper development of those prospect and solid decisions on trades and signings. The Athletic’s NHL Draft expert Corey Pronman said on a podcast yesterday there is a chance depending on how this draft goes the Hawks could possibly have the number rated prospect pool and that is with Bedard, Vlassic and Korchinksi already on the NHL team. Also, we have 2 #1 & 2 #2 in 2025. And all that cap space. I am not sure if any GM has been in a similar situation. |
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Post by ebonyraptor on May 7, 2024 10:51:20 GMT -6
Are you suggesting they should not resign him? Of course that is an option, but my question was really meant to get an answer that tells me why this guy should be given another chance when he has failed to show much production so far in his career. Because he's shown flashes and he's only 21 - in my opinion far too early to give up on him. And, most likely it won't take a large financial commitment to sign him for 1 or 2 years. In a way it's similar to Kurashev a year ago - who was older and not a 1st round draft pick investment - but had shown flashes. Fortunately they didn't give up on him and it ended up a good thing for the Hawks. |
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Not doing it anymore though - gave the horses to a friend after my wife passed. Do I miss it? I miss them - not the horse poop. 
