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Jul 11, 2024 17:11:26 GMT -6
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Post by vadarx on Jul 11, 2024 17:11:26 GMT -6
*for now. feels like the Phoenix area will be the first place they look at when expansion comes up again. It seems every time they put something to a vote for public stadium funding anywhere near/close to Phoenix it does not pass. You have to wonder how much the people who live there are willing to support a team. it sounded to me like a lot of that was due to the guy in charge previously. maybe with a new group in there thing will go smoother. I'm sure we will find out in a few years. |
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Jul 11, 2024 20:22:45 GMT -6
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Post by Nikos on Jul 11, 2024 20:22:45 GMT -6
It seems every time they put something to a vote for public stadium funding anywhere near/close to Phoenix it does not pass. You have to wonder how much the people who live there are willing to support a team. it sounded to me like a lot of that was due to the guy in charge previously. maybe with a new group in there thing will go smoother. I'm sure we will find out in a few years. Sure, that has been reported. Like you said we will see in a few years. A gentlemen's bet I say next expansion will not be in Arizona/Phoenix area. |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 11, 2024 22:38:58 GMT -6
it sounded to me like a lot of that was due to the guy in charge previously. maybe with a new group in there thing will go smoother. I'm sure we will find out in a few years. Sure, that has been reported. Like you said we will see in a few years. A gentlemen's bet I say next expansion will not be in Arizona/Phoenix area. I can't think of a better place for one, though, tbh. maybe Houston? |
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Jul 11, 2024 23:19:30 GMT -6
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 11, 2024 23:19:30 GMT -6
Sure, that has been reported. Like you said we will see in a few years. A gentlemen's bet I say next expansion will not be in Arizona/Phoenix area. I can't think of a better place for one, though, tbh. maybe Houston? that'd make sense to me. was there/is there much of a rivalry between the houston oilers/texans and the dallas cowboys? is there any natural animosity between the 2 cities that you know of? a rivalry between the 2 hockey clubs would be good for the league. i love hockey rivalries no matter which teams are involved but it doesn't seem like there's that many anymore. |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 11, 2024 23:21:55 GMT -6
I can't think of a better place for one, though, tbh. maybe Houston? that'd make sense to me. was there/is there much of a rivalry between the houston oilers/texans and the dallas cowboys? is there any natural animosity between the 2 cities that you know of? a rivalry between the 2 hockey clubs would be good for the league. i love hockey rivalries no matter which teams are involved but it doesn't seem like there's that many anymore. not that I really noticed when I was living there, but I was around Dallas and EVERYONE was a cowboys fan... I never really got much of a rivalry vibe between the two, tbh. |
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Jul 12, 2024 7:19:50 GMT -6
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Post by Nikos on Jul 12, 2024 7:19:50 GMT -6
Sure, that has been reported. Like you said we will see in a few years. A gentlemen's bet I say next expansion will not be in Arizona/Phoenix area. I can't think of a better place for one, though, tbh. maybe Houston? Kansas City? |
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Post by LordKOTL on Jul 12, 2024 13:33:09 GMT -6
The Alex Meruelo era is officially over. According to a report by PHNX Sports’ Craig Morgan on Wednesday, NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly confirmed that the former Arizona Coyotes owner has relinquished his rights to the franchise. As for the future of hockey in the desert, Bettman said at the NHL’s Board of Governors meetings it is not something the NHL is focused on. I guess one less travel destination for Hawks fans in the winter months. *for now. feels like the Phoenix area will be the first place they look at when expansion comes up again. VVV *for now. feels like the Phoenix area will be the first place they look at when expansion comes up again. It seems every time they put something to a vote for public stadium funding anywhere near/close to Phoenix it does not pass. You have to wonder how much the people who live there are willing to support a team. I think it's a little of both: Some will want expansion there, but the city won't support it. Think like Atlanta. There is STILL talk about putting another team there in expansion in spite of it failing as a hockey market--twice. Personally, the NHL is at 32 teams with is a perfect amount in my opinion. We have balanced divisions, conferences, and there are playoffs without byes--and there shouldn't be byes. I think if anything the NHL should start looking at the amount of revenue teams are pulling in and seeking to relocate them to nascent markets. They just did so with AZ--which in 22-23 had the least amount of revenue (Can't find the 23-24 numbers). From there maybe start looking at (in order from 2nd worst after AZ and on up) Ottawa, Columbus, SJ, Buffalo, and Florida, although I think Florida just got a nice bump. So, for the Houstons, KCs, Hamiltons, and even Phoenix again or Atlanta for the 3rd time--maybe start looking at relocating some of those franchises and consolidating in good hockey markets. |
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Jul 12, 2024 13:57:47 GMT -6
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Post by T-man2010 on Jul 12, 2024 13:57:47 GMT -6
*for now. feels like the Phoenix area will be the first place they look at when expansion comes up again. VVV It seems every time they put something to a vote for public stadium funding anywhere near/close to Phoenix it does not pass. You have to wonder how much the people who live there are willing to support a team. I think it's a little of both: Some will want expansion there, but the city won't support it. Think like Atlanta. There is STILL talk about putting another team there in expansion in spite of it failing as a hockey market--twice. Personally, the NHL is at 32 teams with is a perfect amount in my opinion. We have balanced divisions, conferences, and there are playoffs without byes--and there shouldn't be byes. I think if anything the NHL should start looking at the amount of revenue teams are pulling in and seeking to relocate them to nascent markets. They just did so with AZ--which in 22-23 had the least amount of revenue (Can't find the 23-24 numbers). From there maybe start looking at (in order from 2nd worst after AZ and on up) Ottawa, Columbus, SJ, Buffalo, and Florida, although I think Florida just got a nice bump. So, for the Houstons, KCs, Hamiltons, and even Phoenix again or Atlanta for the 3rd time--maybe start looking at relocating some of those franchises and consolidating in good hockey markets. Yotes attendance was the same last season as the season before, 4600 per game. Actual sellouts since that's all the rink holds. Yotes attendance history: www.hockeydb.com/nhl-attendance/att_graph.php?tmi=7450 |
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Post by LordKOTL on Jul 12, 2024 15:03:51 GMT -6
VVV I think it's a little of both: Some will want expansion there, but the city won't support it. Think like Atlanta. There is STILL talk about putting another team there in expansion in spite of it failing as a hockey market--twice. Personally, the NHL is at 32 teams with is a perfect amount in my opinion. We have balanced divisions, conferences, and there are playoffs without byes--and there shouldn't be byes. I think if anything the NHL should start looking at the amount of revenue teams are pulling in and seeking to relocate them to nascent markets. They just did so with AZ--which in 22-23 had the least amount of revenue (Can't find the 23-24 numbers). From there maybe start looking at (in order from 2nd worst after AZ and on up) Ottawa, Columbus, SJ, Buffalo, and Florida, although I think Florida just got a nice bump. So, for the Houstons, KCs, Hamiltons, and even Phoenix again or Atlanta for the 3rd time--maybe start looking at relocating some of those franchises and consolidating in good hockey markets. Yotes attendance was the same last season as the season before, 4600 per game. Actual sellouts since that's all the rink holds. Yotes attendance history: www.hockeydb.com/nhl-attendance/att_graph.php?tmi=7450The question is: would they have sold out an arena the size of Canada Ice Arena in Winnipeg, which is 11k more capacity? The Yotes only got over 15k average yearly attendance in the 1st 3 years of their existence. Between 2010 and 2019 they never broke 14k. 2020 they broke 14k, 2022 they didn't break 12k. Meanwhile Vegas have never got less than 18k in their existence; as a franchise they are doing much better than just about every other expansion franchise since the Yotes became a thing. I think that there's more to revenue than just attendance of course, but when it boils down to it, the Yotes were not selling out and no one supported an arena. They wouldn't have even rocked the Mullet arena if they could have gotten a deal in place. Atlanta was similar. My point was that before the NHL looks at expansion again, maybe they need to look at faltering markets and, instead of keeping a franchise in a place where it's not getting the support (Phoenix), maybe looking into moving them to a new locale rather than expanding. |
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Jul 12, 2024 15:09:12 GMT -6
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Post by vadarx on Jul 12, 2024 15:09:12 GMT -6
The question is: would they have sold out an arena the size of Canada Ice Arena in Winnipeg, which is 11k more capacity? The Yotes only got over 15k average yearly attendance in the 1st 3 years of their existence. Between 2010 and 2019 they never broke 14k. 2020 they broke 14k, 2022 they didn't break 12k. Meanwhile Vegas have never got less than 18k in their existence; as a franchise they are doing much better than just about every other expansion franchise since the Yotes became a thing. I think that there's more to revenue than just attendance of course, but when it boils down to it, the Yotes were not selling out and no one supported an arena. They wouldn't have even rocked the Mullet arena if they could have gotten a deal in place. Atlanta was similar. My point was that before the NHL looks at expansion again, maybe they need to look at faltering markets and, instead of keeping a franchise in a place where it's not getting the support (Phoenix), maybe looking into moving them to a new locale rather than expanding. agree, but Vegas also went to the Final in year 1. had the yotes done that, they'd already have been playing in a new arena and we wouldn't be seeing hockey in Utah this next season. the franchise never had any success. heck, I wouldn't be shocked if they had better attendance numbers than the Panthers over the years, just no stable ownership group. a lot of transplants in the Phoenix area and a lot of people in general. if they ever had a winner there, they'd get supported. they just never did. 1 conference final appearance in almost 30 years ain't drawing in fans. people want to support a winner. we need only to look at our team for evidence of that. |
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Jul 15, 2024 12:00:15 GMT -6
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Post by LordKOTL on Jul 15, 2024 12:00:15 GMT -6
The question is: would they have sold out an arena the size of Canada Ice Arena in Winnipeg, which is 11k more capacity? The Yotes only got over 15k average yearly attendance in the 1st 3 years of their existence. Between 2010 and 2019 they never broke 14k. 2020 they broke 14k, 2022 they didn't break 12k. Meanwhile Vegas have never got less than 18k in their existence; as a franchise they are doing much better than just about every other expansion franchise since the Yotes became a thing. I think that there's more to revenue than just attendance of course, but when it boils down to it, the Yotes were not selling out and no one supported an arena. They wouldn't have even rocked the Mullet arena if they could have gotten a deal in place. Atlanta was similar. My point was that before the NHL looks at expansion again, maybe they need to look at faltering markets and, instead of keeping a franchise in a place where it's not getting the support (Phoenix), maybe looking into moving them to a new locale rather than expanding. agree, but Vegas also went to the Final in year 1. had the yotes done that, they'd already have been playing in a new arena and we wouldn't be seeing hockey in Utah this next season. the franchise never had any success. heck, I wouldn't be shocked if they had better attendance numbers than the Panthers over the years, just no stable ownership group. a lot of transplants in the Phoenix area and a lot of people in general. if they ever had a winner there, they'd get supported. they just never did. 1 conference final appearance in almost 30 years ain't drawing in fans. people want to support a winner. we need only to look at our team for evidence of that. If the raw amount of people in a location was a positive factor, Atlanta wouldn't have failed, twice. Phoenix may have been a victim of bad ownership, but they weren't getting ownership willing to invest in the team, nor local support. Ultimately, their town didn't support them, so why keep them there? |
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Jul 15, 2024 14:11:29 GMT -6
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Post by vadarx on Jul 15, 2024 14:11:29 GMT -6
agree, but Vegas also went to the Final in year 1. had the yotes done that, they'd already have been playing in a new arena and we wouldn't be seeing hockey in Utah this next season. the franchise never had any success. heck, I wouldn't be shocked if they had better attendance numbers than the Panthers over the years, just no stable ownership group. a lot of transplants in the Phoenix area and a lot of people in general. if they ever had a winner there, they'd get supported. they just never did. 1 conference final appearance in almost 30 years ain't drawing in fans. people want to support a winner. we need only to look at our team for evidence of that. If the raw amount of people in a location was a positive factor, Atlanta wouldn't have failed, twice. Phoenix may have been a victim of bad ownership, but they weren't getting ownership willing to invest in the team, nor local support. Ultimately, their town didn't support them, so why keep them there? I don't feel like getting into the demographics here, but I doubt I need to explain the difference in such between Phoenix and Atlanta. having a NHL team in Atlanta is just dumb, imo. I've lived around Phoenix enough to know that there is a solid base there that would support a NHL franchise, if that franchise was run the right way and actually won something. neither of those things happened in Phoenix, so here we are. when the league goes back there, I expect they will get the full Vegas treatment and they will have the full support of the city they reside in as well (cuz the league will never go back until someone handles the arena issue first). someone will come along and actually do things the right way, ownership-wise, especially if the league keeps making more money. I bring up the population numbers mostly because I'm sure that is a major consideration for the league. right now the 4th and 5th largest cities in the country (Houston and Phoenix) have no team. one of them is surely next up when it is time for expansion. the only reason Atlanta will be considered is due to the league needing another team on that side of the country, despite the fact that it is significantly smaller (36th in population) and has little to no built in fan base (and has failed twice already, as you said). I will be interested to see what other names come up when expansion is brought up again, especially on the east side of the continent. |
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Jul 15, 2024 15:29:58 GMT -6
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Post by LordKOTL on Jul 15, 2024 15:29:58 GMT -6
If the raw amount of people in a location was a positive factor, Atlanta wouldn't have failed, twice. Phoenix may have been a victim of bad ownership, but they weren't getting ownership willing to invest in the team, nor local support. Ultimately, their town didn't support them, so why keep them there? I don't feel like getting into the demographics here, but I doubt I need to explain the difference in such between Phoenix and Atlanta. having a NHL team in Atlanta is just dumb, imo. I've lived around Phoenix enough to know that there is a solid base there that would support a NHL franchise, if that franchise was run the right way and actually won something. neither of those things happened in Phoenix, so here we are. when the league goes back there, I expect they will get the full Vegas treatment and they will have the full support of the city they reside in as well (cuz the league will never go back until someone handles the arena issue first). someone will come along and actually do things the right way, ownership-wise, especially if the league keeps making more money. I bring up the population numbers mostly because I'm sure that is a major consideration for the league. right now the 4th and 5th largest cities in the country (Houston and Phoenix) have no team. one of them is surely next up when it is time for expansion. the only reason Atlanta will be considered is due to the league needing another team on that side of the country, despite the fact that it is significantly smaller (36th in population) and has little to no built in fan base (and has failed twice already, as you said). I will be interested to see what other names come up when expansion is brought up again, especially on the east side of the continent. Honestly Houston should get a chance next time. I think Phoenix should get consideration *After* all other Central options are expired, like Houston, KC, Milwaukee, etc. But I think with teams like Columbus and the like who aren't bringing in revenue should be moved before explanation. |
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Jul 15, 2024 15:38:21 GMT -6
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Post by vadarx on Jul 15, 2024 15:38:21 GMT -6
I don't feel like getting into the demographics here, but I doubt I need to explain the difference in such between Phoenix and Atlanta. having a NHL team in Atlanta is just dumb, imo. I've lived around Phoenix enough to know that there is a solid base there that would support a NHL franchise, if that franchise was run the right way and actually won something. neither of those things happened in Phoenix, so here we are. when the league goes back there, I expect they will get the full Vegas treatment and they will have the full support of the city they reside in as well (cuz the league will never go back until someone handles the arena issue first). someone will come along and actually do things the right way, ownership-wise, especially if the league keeps making more money. I bring up the population numbers mostly because I'm sure that is a major consideration for the league. right now the 4th and 5th largest cities in the country (Houston and Phoenix) have no team. one of them is surely next up when it is time for expansion. the only reason Atlanta will be considered is due to the league needing another team on that side of the country, despite the fact that it is significantly smaller (36th in population) and has little to no built in fan base (and has failed twice already, as you said). I will be interested to see what other names come up when expansion is brought up again, especially on the east side of the continent. Honestly Houston should get a chance next time. I think Phoenix should get consideration *After* all other Central options are expired, like Houston, KC, Milwaukee, etc. But I think with teams like Columbus and the like who aren't bringing in revenue should be moved before explanation. I could see KC or Milwaukee being an option, but I agree that Houston will almost surely be the next expansion location. |
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Post by bigbarn27 on Jul 24, 2024 17:15:02 GMT -6
Honestly Houston should get a chance next time. I think Phoenix should get consideration *After* all other Central options are expired, like Houston, KC, Milwaukee, etc. But I think with teams like Columbus and the like who aren't bringing in revenue should be moved before explanation. I could see KC or Milwaukee being an option, but I agree that Houston will almost surely be the next expansion location. Milwaukee cant have an NHL team |
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Jul 24, 2024 21:14:22 GMT -6
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Post by BigT on Jul 24, 2024 21:14:22 GMT -6
I could see KC or Milwaukee being an option, but I agree that Houston will almost surely be the next expansion location. Milwaukee cant have an NHL team The Hawks should let that go. If anything. It’ll fuel a rivalry bigger than anything from WW2. Milwaukee is what 90 miles from Chicago? It’s good for the game to have close rivlalries: NY area has NY Islanders, NY Rangers, Philadelphia Flyers, NJ Devils. And another close team is Washington Capitals. That’s the way a division should be. Not like the pacific where there could be a 4 hour flight. Flights should be 1-3 hours tops within the division. 3 being a looooong way to go!!! |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 25, 2024 0:01:25 GMT -6
I could see KC or Milwaukee being an option, but I agree that Houston will almost surely be the next expansion location. Milwaukee cant have an NHL team I forgot that was even a thing, tbh. |
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Jul 25, 2024 8:27:35 GMT -6
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Post by LordKOTL on Jul 25, 2024 8:27:35 GMT -6
Milwaukee cant have an NHL team The Hawks should let that go. If anything. It’ll fuel a rivalry bigger than anything from WW2. Milwaukee is what 90 miles from Chicago? It’s good for the game to have close rivlalries: NY area has NY Islanders, NY Rangers, Philadelphia Flyers, NJ Devils. And another close team is Washington Capitals. That’s the way a division should be. Not like the pacific where there could be a 4 hour flight. Flights should be 1-3 hours tops within the division. 3 being a looooong way to go!!! Yeah they should. If LA and Anaheim can coexist, so could Chicago and Milwaukee. Unfortunately for out west that's about it in terms of close distance. No other large metro areas are really close to each other. |
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Jul 25, 2024 8:27:55 GMT -6
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Post by LordKOTL on Jul 25, 2024 8:27:55 GMT -6
Milwaukee cant have an NHL team I forgot that was even a thing, tbh. Same  |
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Post by T-man2010 on Jul 25, 2024 12:42:41 GMT -6
I forgot that was even a thing, tbh. Same Ole Arthur was a greedy bastage. But he did help St. Louis get a team since he was part owner of the checkerdome back then. |
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Jul 25, 2024 15:41:46 GMT -6
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Post by vadarx on Jul 25, 2024 15:41:46 GMT -6
Same Ole Arthur was a greedy bastage. But he did help St. Louis get a team since he was part owner of the checkerdome back then. considering that we apparently like to play preseason games up there, I'm guessing the brass would (still) prefer not to have any competition. |
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Jul 30, 2024 15:17:25 GMT -6
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Post by LordKOTL on Jul 30, 2024 15:17:25 GMT -6
Ole Arthur was a greedy bastage. But he did help St. Louis get a team since he was part owner of the checkerdome back then. considering that we apparently like to play preseason games up there, I'm guessing the brass would (still) prefer not to have any competition. Perhaps not, but given some of the distances out east between franchises, as well as the aforementioned LA/Anaheim, I don't think the distance should be a killer assuming no other Central franchise is viable. If Milwaukee would work as a hockey town, then there's more of a chance of a knock-down-drag-out rivalry that sells tickets. |
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Sept 18, 2024 20:52:36 GMT -6
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Post by galaxytrash on Sept 18, 2024 20:52:36 GMT -6
have the little kids of utah spoken? lucky they didn't give "utah paw patrollers" or the "utah peppa pigs" as an option. : ) all signs continue to point to Utah Yeti. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Sept 19, 2024 9:10:26 GMT -6
Utah Skinwalkers should be the name.
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Post by LordKOTL on Sept 19, 2024 16:05:23 GMT -6
Utah Skinwalkers should be the name. I still think the Stormin' Mormons, the Orgamsos, or the Choda boys.  |
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Sept 19, 2024 16:08:38 GMT -6
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Post by vadarx on Sept 19, 2024 16:08:38 GMT -6
Utah Skinwalkers should be the name. I still think the Stormin' Mormons, the Orgamsos, or the Choda boys. I still like Smiths. had they gone with SLC, rather than Utah, Punks for sure. or Punk. Choda Boys would be fantastic as well. |
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Sept 19, 2024 16:09:16 GMT -6
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Post by vadarx on Sept 19, 2024 16:09:16 GMT -6
Utah Skinwalkers should be the name. the hockey team surely will figure something out before that crew does... |
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Post by galaxytrash on Sept 22, 2024 18:47:30 GMT -6
they did win the game, though.
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Post by jaty84 on Sept 23, 2024 1:05:55 GMT -6
they did win the game, though. First pre-season goal by a Slovak. We're on a roll :-D |
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Sept 23, 2024 16:27:38 GMT -6
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Post by Nikos on Sept 23, 2024 16:27:38 GMT -6
The cost to extend young players keeps climbing. Dylan Guenther who split last season between Arizona and the American Hockey League’s Tucson Roadrunners and has just 18 goals and 17 assists for 35 points in 45 NHL games last season with the Coyotes signed 8 year extension ($57.12M) with an annual cap hit of $7.14M.
We all have discussed this and if you believe in your scouting and development looks like teams and GMs are taking the approach to pay now and lock in. I am sure the Lucas Reichel camp is looking at this and if he has a breakout season. Reichel career stats: 12 goals, 32 total points in 99 games played.
I am not advocating KD lock him up and I believe Guenther is and will be a better player, but it just shows where the market is going and value for high end prospects. I am sure the Nazar and Oliver Moore camps are loving to see these extensions.
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