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Sept 23, 2024 17:02:18 GMT -6
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Post by vadarx on Sept 23, 2024 17:02:18 GMT -6
The cost to extend young players keeps climbing. Dylan Guenther who split last season between Arizona and the American Hockey League’s Tucson Roadrunners and has just 18 goals and 17 assists for 35 points in 45 NHL games last season with the Coyotes signed 8 year extension ($57.12M) with an annual cap hit of $7.14M. We all have discussed this and if you believe in your scouting and development looks like teams and GMs are taking the approach to pay now and lock in. I am sure the Lucas Reichel camp is looking at this and if he has a breakout season. Reichel career stats: 12 goals, 32 total points in 99 games played. I am not advocating KD lock him up and I believe Guenther is and will be a better player, but it just shows where the market is going and value for high end prospects. I am sure the Nazar and Oliver Moore camps are loving to see these extensions. that seems like a big amount. guess they REALLY trust their scouts... |
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Post by Nikos on Sept 23, 2024 17:19:55 GMT -6
The cost to extend young players keeps climbing. Dylan Guenther who split last season between Arizona and the American Hockey League’s Tucson Roadrunners and has just 18 goals and 17 assists for 35 points in 45 NHL games last season with the Coyotes signed 8 year extension ($57.12M) with an annual cap hit of $7.14M. We all have discussed this and if you believe in your scouting and development looks like teams and GMs are taking the approach to pay now and lock in. I am sure the Lucas Reichel camp is looking at this and if he has a breakout season. Reichel career stats: 12 goals, 32 total points in 99 games played. I am not advocating KD lock him up and I believe Guenther is and will be a better player, but it just shows where the market is going and value for high end prospects. I am sure the Nazar and Oliver Moore camps are loving to see these extensions. that seems like a big amount. guess they REALLY trust their scouts... That is my point, I guess we will find out when KD is faced with a similar situation in a year or so. I know they have emphasize speed and skating during the draft. He already did a nice extension for Vlassic that looks like a win-win for both parties, let's see what happens with some of these high 1st round forward picks. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Sept 25, 2024 9:35:42 GMT -6
The cost to extend young players keeps climbing. Dylan Guenther who split last season between Arizona and the American Hockey League’s Tucson Roadrunners and has just 18 goals and 17 assists for 35 points in 45 NHL games last season with the Coyotes signed 8 year extension ($57.12M) with an annual cap hit of $7.14M. We all have discussed this and if you believe in your scouting and development looks like teams and GMs are taking the approach to pay now and lock in. I am sure the Lucas Reichel camp is looking at this and if he has a breakout season. Reichel career stats: 12 goals, 32 total points in 99 games played. I am not advocating KD lock him up and I believe Guenther is and will be a better player, but it just shows where the market is going and value for high end prospects. I am sure the Nazar and Oliver Moore camps are loving to see these extensions. There is a massive difference between 35p/45g and 32p/99g...like 0.778ppg vs. 0.323ppg. Cost is going up, but I'm not sure how much it's going up vs. cap inflation. According to PuckPedia, we got 2 years of Reichel at 1.2M, and then he's an RFA, but as-yet not arbitration-eligible. I can't see KfC paying out a lot of money for Reichel if he only brings it 1 of the 2 years, especially since he's an RFA. I think Reichel should know that he has to prove that he'll bring it more often than not and have not just 1, but 2 good seasons. I don't foresee KfC signing Reichel to a long-term huge contract after just 1 season especially since he holds all of the cards. Now, Nazar, Moore, etc...yeah. They have to be salivating as long as they can bring it. |
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Post by Nikos on Sept 25, 2024 11:08:35 GMT -6
The cost to extend young players keeps climbing. Dylan Guenther who split last season between Arizona and the American Hockey League’s Tucson Roadrunners and has just 18 goals and 17 assists for 35 points in 45 NHL games last season with the Coyotes signed 8 year extension ($57.12M) with an annual cap hit of $7.14M. We all have discussed this and if you believe in your scouting and development looks like teams and GMs are taking the approach to pay now and lock in. I am sure the Lucas Reichel camp is looking at this and if he has a breakout season. Reichel career stats: 12 goals, 32 total points in 99 games played. I am not advocating KD lock him up and I believe Guenther is and will be a better player, but it just shows where the market is going and value for high end prospects. I am sure the Nazar and Oliver Moore camps are loving to see these extensions. There is a massive difference between 35p/45g and 32p/99g...like 0.778ppg vs. 0.323ppg. Cost is going up, but I'm not sure how much it's going up vs. cap inflation. According to PuckPedia, we got 2 years of Reichel at 1.2M, and then he's an RFA, but as-yet not arbitration-eligible. I can't see KfC paying out a lot of money for Reichel if he only brings it 1 of the 2 years, especially since he's an RFA. I think Reichel should know that he has to prove that he'll bring it more often than not and have not just 1, but 2 good seasons. I don't foresee KfC signing Reichel to a long-term huge contract after just 1 season especially since he holds all of the cards. Now, Nazar, Moore, etc...yeah. They have to be salivating as long as they can bring it. Lord, I get the massive difference in average points per game and also believe Guenther is and will be a better player. What happens and Reichel has not proven it yet and he takes off this year and claims a top 6 spot. What will KFC do then? Like you said market is going up. Btw, I am not advocating KFC locks him up, just when does the GM strike. It seems the pattern is to lock up these high draft picks to 7 or 8 year contracts before they really produce any type of production. |
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Sept 25, 2024 16:12:20 GMT -6
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Post by LordKOTL on Sept 25, 2024 16:12:20 GMT -6
There is a massive difference between 35p/45g and 32p/99g...like 0.778ppg vs. 0.323ppg. Cost is going up, but I'm not sure how much it's going up vs. cap inflation. According to PuckPedia, we got 2 years of Reichel at 1.2M, and then he's an RFA, but as-yet not arbitration-eligible. I can't see KfC paying out a lot of money for Reichel if he only brings it 1 of the 2 years, especially since he's an RFA. I think Reichel should know that he has to prove that he'll bring it more often than not and have not just 1, but 2 good seasons. I don't foresee KfC signing Reichel to a long-term huge contract after just 1 season especially since he holds all of the cards. Now, Nazar, Moore, etc...yeah. They have to be salivating as long as they can bring it. Lord, I get the massive difference in average points per game and also believe Guenther is and will be a better player. What happens and Reichel has not proven it yet and he takes off this year and claims a top 6 spot. What will KFC do then? Like you said market is going up. Btw, I am not advocating KFC locks him up, just when does the GM strike. It seems the pattern is to lock up these high draft picks to 7 or 8 year contracts before they really produce any type of production. Part of the think in KfC's favor is that Reichel is an RFA at the end of the deal, and per PuckPedia, is not arbitration-eligible, at least yet. I can't glean what Guenther's deal was at the end of this year (i.e. likely RFA, but arbitration-eligible), but that might have had some play. Another key thing for Guenther is that he might be playing himself into Utah's core. Reichel is far from being part of the next B'hawks core. But back to Reichel--unless he is expected to be eligible for arbitration, he doesn't hold any cards. He can't really force KfC's hand to sign him early--he may be able to play lights-out and force a higher AAV/Shorter term to maximize his UFA benefit, but there's really no gun being held to KfC's head to sign him early. KfC can basically tell Reichel that he needs to see 100% top-6 capabilities for this year and a chunk of the next before he enters contract talks. Reichel has virtually no leverage. If I was KfC it would probably look at re-signing him some time between next year's draft and the 41 game mark--depending on his play and consistency this upcoming season. He'll have to prove consistency--if he plays at a top-6 lever for the bulk of this season, err early. If he's streaky them maybe later. Hell, If I was KfC I would have already had that conversation with him. At this point the worst that can happen is that he gets offer-sheeted in 2026 and we get compensation. |
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Sept 25, 2024 16:24:06 GMT -6
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Post by LordKOTL on Sept 25, 2024 16:24:06 GMT -6
There is a massive difference between 35p/45g and 32p/99g...like 0.778ppg vs. 0.323ppg. Cost is going up, but I'm not sure how much it's going up vs. cap inflation. According to PuckPedia, we got 2 years of Reichel at 1.2M, and then he's an RFA, but as-yet not arbitration-eligible. I can't see KfC paying out a lot of money for Reichel if he only brings it 1 of the 2 years, especially since he's an RFA. I think Reichel should know that he has to prove that he'll bring it more often than not and have not just 1, but 2 good seasons. I don't foresee KfC signing Reichel to a long-term huge contract after just 1 season especially since he holds all of the cards. Now, Nazar, Moore, etc...yeah. They have to be salivating as long as they can bring it. Lord, I get the massive difference in average points per game and also believe Guenther is and will be a better player. What happens and Reichel has not proven it yet and he takes off this year and claims a top 6 spot. What will KFC do then? Like you said market is going up. Btw, I am not advocating KFC locks him up, just when does the GM strike. It seems the pattern is to lock up these high draft picks to 7 or 8 year contracts before they really produce any type of production. To hit specifically on the bolded, the 2013 CBA did that. Since there no more "Retirement" deals, there are penalties for 35+ contracts in terms of burying aged players, and I believe the RFA period was pushed out from before 2013, the best of the best players are pushing for higher salaries earlier in their careers. Teams don't want to have deals where a good player is at risk of aging out and they are paying an imperial buttload for them when they are at risk of aging out (like Seabrook's deal), so instead for the top players, and 2nd echelon players, GM's are needing to guess and trust their development and scouts to tell them if a player is going to be all that, and thus lock them in early and then start paying less and less over their careers in exchange for longer durations, or not. The real question is, in my opinion, what is the risk analysis of letting a guy like Reichel walk and him becoming a star, vs. tucking him in and him flopping. What hurts the team (specifically the Blackhawks and what they have in terms of prospects, tradebait, and draft capital) less. Can a guy like Reichel at his top projection be replaced or mitigated? Is Reichel really a top-6 guy at this point, or is he just Nylander the Lesser? We don't know. And like I said in my previous post, KfC doesn't have a gun to his head and holds most, if not all of the cards. He has time to see how this season progresses and likely some of next season before it gets to a critical point of tucking him in if he develops his game. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Oct 5, 2024 20:53:26 GMT -6
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Post by galaxytrash on Oct 12, 2024 21:05:53 GMT -6
first 3-0-0 team in the league, 2 of those road games in long island and tonight against the rags.
good start for a team with a nice-looking future. guenther with 5 goals already.
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Oct 13, 2024 7:23:05 GMT -6
Post by hsbob on Oct 13, 2024 7:23:05 GMT -6
The TWELEVE MILLION DOLLAR MAN got plenty of goal support last night,but he allowed four 5 on 5 and one PP goal on 24 regulation shots and the OT winner on the 2nd OT shot. Maybe 12 million doesn't go as far as it used to and maybe the Rags' 24 giveaways had something to do with things too.
edit: I thought I was in the 'around the league' thread when I posted this.......I'm more of a 'dotard' every day.
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Post by jaty84 on Oct 13, 2024 11:53:33 GMT -6
The TWELEVE MILLION DOLLAR MAN got plenty of goal support last night,but he allowed four 5 on 5 and one PP goal on 24 regulation shots and the OT winner on the 2nd OT shot. Maybe 12 million doesn't go as far as it used to and maybe the Rags' 24 giveaways had something to do with things too. There are 82 matches in the season. Would not judge after any of the first 10 games in the season. That being said, 12M is damn much for a keeper. |
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