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Post by BigT on Jul 1, 2024 20:50:33 GMT -6
Respectfully I stay away from Norris. I doubt it heals forever. Not in a contact sport. It may be good for a while. Then in the playoffs he takes a few big hits or even goes shoulder to shoulder with another guy, and he done!
So I think it’s best to aim elsewhere. If not Pinto, something else will come up!!!
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Post by vadarx on Jul 1, 2024 21:27:43 GMT -6
well... that was an unexpected spending spree! I didn't think they would drop that much money today. I like that only a couple deals are beyond 2 years and those two should still be decent players by the end of their deals (Turbo and Bert). a couple short term d men wasn't unexpected, and there will still be room for 1-2 of the young guys to come up and see time while the rest hopefully all mesh in Rockford. the next few years are gonna be fun to watch up north in the Rock. clearly KfC and Co have bought into the Yzerman Over-Seasoning plan. Not sure about the over-Seasoning Dach didnt show that you had to give him a spot. There will be 5 forward openings after this year kids will have to earn it down in Rockford. Let the battling begin I meant that I am onboard with this plan. I think having them all playing together is a fantastic idea. meanwhile give 98 some vets to play with and maybe protect him some. hopefully his soon to be teammates will get well versed in protecting each other in Rockford. battle indeed! |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 1, 2024 21:29:01 GMT -6
clearly KfC and Co have bought into the Yzerman Over- Seasoning plan. intentional? you guys are getting too caught up in all the food references. you need to keep a more even kale. |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 1, 2024 21:31:30 GMT -6
Did the Hawks really need to sign TJ Brodie? Is the plan to have the kids spend more time in Rockford? With Brodie, Jones, Martinez, Murphy, KK and Vlassic the Hawks seem rather full on the backend, so guys like Allan and DelMastro will have to wait at least another season to try and crack the lineup, with our new #2 draft pick. It was a depth signing. The thing we need to know is that the Hawks are not rushing anyone. They can also trade guys. None of them have no move clauses. EDM will start in Chicago. Martinez will be the 7th guy. Now EDM can come along slowly and earn his ice time. Levy will probably go back to State. Then next year, Martinez deal will be done and Levy comes up. Maybe TJ wants to play for a contender? And they trade him. One thing is for sure. No team filled their entire roster their own draft picks. The message being sent? They have to earn this. It will not be given. TJ and Martinez will not make it easy for a kid to take their spot. And that is priceless!!! I still think he plays in Rockford. dude just wants to play hockey, he doesn't want to bike to class in February. plus, more games in Rockford than msu. but, perhaps the 'hawks let him go back, I could see them telling him to, but I don’t think he wants to. |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 1, 2024 21:40:45 GMT -6
I don't think he'll ever play in Rockford, yeah he looked lost and frustrated at times but he was a teenager, plus he lost his dad. Not to mention Megna was his partner for pretty much half the season. The one good thing about Brodie and Martinez is they have 1700gms combined, far more than Tinordi and Megna. Not saying this is the best thing to have in common. But TJ lost his dad last summer. He didn’t take it too well and it totally affected his season. But TJ has raced about KK. So I feel that’s someone he can lean on for hockey and off ice shit. KK will be much much better. He was 19 in a dream land last year. I feel this year he’ll be much more competitive. And now there’s competition there to move him down a slot if he struggles. Then slide him back up if he looks better. No offense to Seth. But I feel he’s there just for hockey. Not sure he’s the best leader. They clearly brought in Alec and TJ for more of a leadership role and to help the kids. Especially on the road. It’s very easy with all that money in great shape to go out and chase tail. But the older guys will know when to reel them in. Obviously you can’t stop someone from living. But it’s good to have vet presence to let them know to chill out time to time!!! why do I suddenly feel like this is our second pairing this coming season... |
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Post by 2old4this on Jul 1, 2024 22:33:57 GMT -6
I wonder if Quennville could be interested in Director of Hockey Operations? Until the time is ripe for him to become coach again.
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Post by ebonyraptor on Jul 1, 2024 22:40:46 GMT -6
Well ... that was rather dizzying. I'm not sure if I feel beleaguered, bemused, or besotted with all that happened today. Maybe I feel all three. MERCY! And I thought I needed a couple days to digest the draft which now seems like child's play after KD's machinations today ... and I say that in the hope there is sound intent behind what seems on first blush to be somewhat confusing.
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Post by tincup on Jul 1, 2024 23:18:08 GMT -6
I'm not a big fan of the offer-sheet myself but there are times where a team is unduly stubborn in undervaluing their young player or as I suspect in Ottawa's case,unable to fit him under their cap. The kid came back and played for the league minimum,scraps Ottawa had available last year......he won't sign for scraps again,as I figured. What's the latest on the health of Josh Norris? My feeling is that Pinto's fate is tied to Norris.' If the Senators believe Norris will recover, they likely will trade Pinto. But if not, they keep him. They can afford to wait it out a bit longer to see how Norris is doing. I think the Hawks would be able to get Norris for a song (perhaps even with an attractive incentive package and some salary retained) if they are willing to take the risk. As it stands, the contract is far too much of a burden considering the player's health history. I would want to see the medical reports and get some second/third opinions first. Shoulders are so iffy. If Norris is good to go (and the Senators are anxious to unload him and willing to pay up), he'd be a perfect hit here for the next several years. Shoulders are so iffy. It’s why I wonder why they would take the injured Vanacker over a healthy Basha. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Jul 2, 2024 5:46:01 GMT -6
What happened with the Martinook deal?
Anyone know?
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Post by T-man2010 on Jul 2, 2024 5:48:33 GMT -6
Hawks are sitting with a cap space of 4.8+- right now.
That also includes Halls 6 mill in there. If he goes LTIR again that gives the Hawks 10+ in space.
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 2, 2024 5:50:51 GMT -6
i think some quality time for KK in rockford would do him good. injuries allowing...not just a few games, at least half a season or more. just my take, but at times last season he seemed to be overwhelmed, and i'm no expert at body english but it looked just plain bad at times after some goals allowed. I don't think he'll ever play in Rockford, yeah he looked lost and frustrated at times but he was a teenager, plus he lost his dad. Not to mention Megna was his partner for pretty much half the season. The one good thing about Brodie and Martinez is they have 1700gms combined, far more than Tinordi and Megna. korchinski was the youngest blackhawk's defenseman to play for chicago this year and his +/- was the team worst at -39. not only that, he was the youngest defenseman to play at least 1 game in the league (by about 2 months) and his +/- was the second worst in the league. i don't know who keeps saying we ruined dach/boqvist and whoever else and i don't give AF...but why not give him time in the A to improve. it's not like we're going to be short on bodies at D to start the year. yeah...megna was a -15 in 32 less games but if you don't think korch would benefit a little bit of getting back to basics in a lesser league then i guess we'll agree to disagree. i just hope in a year or 2 we're not talking how we ruined him too. there is zero rush for this guy. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 2, 2024 5:53:24 GMT -6
What happened with the Martinook deal? Anyone know? stayed with the 'canes. 3 X 3.05. |
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Post by BigT on Jul 2, 2024 6:17:27 GMT -6
I think KK struggled last year. Which was fine. He’s supposed to. But I don’t think there’s one boards member here that can say he had the best support from his partners. Sure Murphy was ok, but he busted up his groin something fierce with his new wife or something similar. He wasn’t his best. Then the gawd dam Megma experiment ruined the rest of the year. Put KK with an actual healthy NHL Dman and with that year behind him. He’ll look every part of a top Dman. I believe he’s gonna make Levy look redundant really quick.
For the 2025/26 season. We’ll see a D core of Seth-Vlasic, KK-TJ, EDM-Levy. Then more than likely Allan as 7th.
I for one like the moves made. They’re not super short term. Like one year and beat it. TT 3 years, Bert- 4, those two on forward give stability until kids are ready. And a kid will have to steal their spot. I think that’s a good way to do it. This way, the team will not take a step back when kids are added in. They have to beat out the guy there or play in the farm!!!
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Post by mvr on Jul 2, 2024 8:42:22 GMT -6
Respectfully I stay away from Norris. I doubt it heals forever. Not in a contact sport. It may be good for a while. Then in the playoffs he takes a few big hits or even goes shoulder to shoulder with another guy, and he done! So I think it’s best to aim elsewhere. If not Pinto, something else will come up!!! Six years left on the contract at just under $8m/year. A few years at the tail with a NMC. That's an ugly contract for an injured player with a bum shoulder. Finding a taker will be a tough sell for Ottawa. Arguably, Norris was overpaid even before the injuries. To give away Norris, Ottawa likely would have to retain salary and add a conditional draft pick (depending on games played). Even then, the medical diagnosis would need to be optimistic. It is worth a conversation perhaps. My feeling is they will keep Pinto at least until the Norris situation gets resolved. They might have no choice but to proceed with Norris penciled into the lineup and hope for the best. This is the reality for small market teams. Make one mistake with a contract and there is no easy way out. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Jul 2, 2024 8:47:16 GMT -6
I don't think he'll ever play in Rockford, yeah he looked lost and frustrated at times but he was a teenager, plus he lost his dad. Not to mention Megna was his partner for pretty much half the season. The one good thing about Brodie and Martinez is they have 1700gms combined, far more than Tinordi and Megna. korchinski was the youngest blackhawk's defenseman to play for chicago this year and his +/- was the team worst at -39. not only that, he was the youngest defenseman to play at least 1 game in the league (by about 2 months) and his +/- was the second worst in the league. i don't know who keeps saying we ruined dach/boqvist and whoever else and i don't give AF...but why not give him time in the A to improve. it's not like we're going to be short on bodies at D to start the year. yeah...megna was a -15 in 32 less games but if you don't think korch would benefit a little bit of getting back to basics in a lesser league then i guess we'll agree to disagree. i just hope in a year or 2 we're not talking how we ruined him too. there is zero rush for this guy. I think like BigT said, you have to look at the hand Korch was dealt. He had Murph, who played like he was in the twilight of his career and couldn't keep up, Megna, who was AHL level, Seth Jones who has no game behind the opponent's blue line. Plus zero forwards who play defense, and Soderblom. He was in the same position Keith was in back in 2006. Young D-man with no support trying to find his game. Flashes of brilliance tempered with mistakes in the backend without much goaltending to bail him out; complicated with smeg-all up front defensively. I think this year will be telling, and I'm sure if he doesn't come to training camp on a mission he should he sent down, but I think the slot is his to lose. We do have D-men to take the slot though, so he shouldn't act as if he won't be Rockforded. |
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Post by BigT on Jul 2, 2024 9:07:22 GMT -6
Also on Korchinski, it seemed every gawd dam mistake was in the net. Now, maybe his d partner bails him out. Or the goalies don’t allow muffins or give up rebounds 5 goal scorers dream of to get off the 4th line.
Last year. Megma chased guys everywhere he shouldn’t be, and when a rebound was laying there, a rookie had to bail out an NHL team. Or better yet, a teenager had to. I think over the next two years, you’ll see a massive maturation on him. Once he’s 21/22, much different player we’ll see. Big difference from a teenager to a man.
I almost wonder if they’re not relying on Murph for much? From the sounds of it, TJ will be with either Vlasic or Korchinski. That’s what they’ve said to him. So that pushes Murphy down to 3rd pairing with Martinez and or EDM.
But I think with this supporting cast on and off the ice, the kids will be much better. Won’t be relied on for much.
Also, how can career AHLers be relied upon to teach young kids how to act in the National? I think Megma would say “do NOT do what I’ve done or do, and you’ll be more than ok”!!!
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Post by Hockey is great on Jul 2, 2024 11:58:43 GMT -6
What a fun offseason so far. A lot more done then I expected
Now it’s pontoon time with the wife and daughters
I owe everyone a ride lol
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Post by ebonyraptor on Jul 2, 2024 12:18:06 GMT -6
I saw LR's press conference from yesterday and when he talked about how the d-lineup could shake out with the additions of Martinez and Brodie - he said a couple interesting things like possibly playing Martinez with Jones (splitting up Vlassic-Jones) and several other tidbits worthy of pondering. I found it noteworthy that in the general discussion of possibilities he mentioned Kaiser several times and nary a mention of EDM. His comments were extemporaneous so it most likely an oversight more than a preference for Kaiser over EDM but I thought it interesting because the consensus seems to be EDM is more highly thought of than Kaiser - but, maybe not.
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Post by Granada on Jul 2, 2024 13:28:25 GMT -6
Alright, now that the dust has settled, I'm still kind of 'meh' about these moves. Love Bertuzzi, but that's really it. I would have liked to see the Hawks get a guy like Lomberg instead of Smith/Maroon and/or Brodie. I still think Brodie and Martinez are redundant, I don't get why both are needed. I don't know, I sort of think they went a little too cheap here. Maybe it works out, but I'm not super jazzed about any of this. Wouldn't it be funny if Davidson is the opposite of Bowman -- great at drafting but shitty at picking up vets? Oh wait, Bowman sucked at both, never mind.  |
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Post by nighbor on Jul 2, 2024 15:26:21 GMT -6
I don't think he'll ever play in Rockford, yeah he looked lost and frustrated at times but he was a teenager, plus he lost his dad. Not to mention Megna was his partner for pretty much half the season. The one good thing about Brodie and Martinez is they have 1700gms combined, far more than Tinordi and Megna. korchinski was the youngest blackhawk's defenseman to play for chicago this year and his +/- was the team worst at -39. not only that, he was the youngest defenseman to play at least 1 game in the league (by about 2 months) and his +/- was the second worst in the league. i don't know who keeps saying we ruined dach/boqvist and whoever else and i don't give AF...but why not give him time in the A to improve. it's not like we're going to be short on bodies at D to start the year. yeah...megna was a -15 in 32 less games but if you don't think korch would benefit a little bit of getting back to basics in a lesser league then i guess we'll agree to disagree. i just hope in a year or 2 we're not talking how we ruined him too. there is zero rush for this guy. I watched a program analyzing the draft picks and one of the hosts suggested that Kor and Lev should both be sent to Rockford so they could partner up and learn the game at a slower pace. |
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Post by bigbarn27 on Jul 2, 2024 15:35:05 GMT -6
korchinski was the youngest blackhawk's defenseman to play for chicago this year and his +/- was the team worst at -39. not only that, he was the youngest defenseman to play at least 1 game in the league (by about 2 months) and his +/- was the second worst in the league. i don't know who keeps saying we ruined dach/boqvist and whoever else and i don't give AF...but why not give him time in the A to improve. it's not like we're going to be short on bodies at D to start the year. yeah...megna was a -15 in 32 less games but if you don't think korch would benefit a little bit of getting back to basics in a lesser league then i guess we'll agree to disagree. i just hope in a year or 2 we're not talking how we ruined him too. there is zero rush for this guy. I watched a program analyzing the draft picks and one of the hosts suggested that Kor and Lev should both be sent to Rockford so they could partner up and learn the game at a slower pace. Always possible not an option last year. |
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Post by BigT on Jul 2, 2024 16:48:17 GMT -6
korchinski was the youngest blackhawk's defenseman to play for chicago this year and his +/- was the team worst at -39. not only that, he was the youngest defenseman to play at least 1 game in the league (by about 2 months) and his +/- was the second worst in the league. i don't know who keeps saying we ruined dach/boqvist and whoever else and i don't give AF...but why not give him time in the A to improve. it's not like we're going to be short on bodies at D to start the year. yeah...megna was a -15 in 32 less games but if you don't think korch would benefit a little bit of getting back to basics in a lesser league then i guess we'll agree to disagree. i just hope in a year or 2 we're not talking how we ruined him too. there is zero rush for this guy. I watched a program analyzing the draft picks and one of the hosts suggested that Kor and Lev should both be sent to Rockford so they could partner up and learn the game at a slower pace. I’m not saying you’re wrong. But the AHL is actually an overall faster game. The main difference is that the skill is much much better in the National. So the goals are scored in different ways. Ask every NHL dman that played there. They’ll tell ya the same, the plays happen quicker and the at more accurate than the AHL due to the skill. Basically an NHL 3rd pairing dman would be top pair in the AHL. So one of the pros of the AHL is that you learn to really haul ass. Where as the NHL is a bit slower but the skill and the puck movement catches you off guard. For example. McDavid will lollygag through the neutral zone. And you’re thinking, “we’ve got all 5 guys back, we’re safe!”. Then, he stick handles and accelerates to 300 mph and then the puck is in the net. Whereas the AHL the guys drive hard through the neutral zone and come at you full bore. It can be deceiving at times because those guys are pretty fast too. But just don’t have the skill set. So I’m not sure the AHL is the best for Korchinski now. He really was dealt a bad hand last year. He had Murphy on one groin with him, then his pops died, then he got Megna who was a bad AHL player. Enough said. Let him get to play with TJ or Martinez or even Seth. He’ll be much much better!!! |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 2, 2024 18:46:24 GMT -6
I don't suppose anyone has any info regarding potential movement clauses for Bert or Turbo? |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 2, 2024 18:52:33 GMT -6
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Post by vadarx on Jul 2, 2024 19:10:30 GMT -6
at least neither of them have a full nmc. plus, neither is here for a ton of term, so hopefully neither would want/need a trade anyway.
whilst looking though ye olde Cap Friendly, which is shockingly somehow is still up, I went to check Jones's deal, which for some reason I thought was only partly a full NMC. whoops. I had forgotten good old Stan gave him a full nmc for all 8 years...
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 2, 2024 19:33:52 GMT -6
whilst looking though ye olde Cap Friendly, which is shockingly somehow is still up... according to it's wiki page, "the site is expected to be sunset around July 5, 2024". one thing that kind've jumped out to me on twitter this morning was that all i see now is puckpedia...not a cf reference to be found. |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 2, 2024 20:11:52 GMT -6
whilst looking though ye olde Cap Friendly, which is shockingly somehow is still up... according to it's wiki page, "the site is expected to be sunset around July 5, 2024". one thing that kind've jumped out to me on twitter this morning was that all i see now is puckpedia...not a cf reference to be found. yeah, I didn't know it wasn't until 7/5. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Jul 3, 2024 10:46:18 GMT -6
Alright, now that the dust has settled, I'm still kind of 'meh' about these moves. Love Bertuzzi, but that's really it. I would have liked to see the Hawks get a guy like Lomberg instead of Smith/Maroon and/or Brodie. I still think Brodie and Martinez are redundant, I don't get why both are needed. I don't know, I sort of think they went a little too cheap here. Maybe it works out, but I'm not super jazzed about any of this. Wouldn't it be funny if Davidson is the opposite of Bowman -- great at drafting but shitty at picking up vets? Oh wait, Bowman sucked at both, never mind. On the other hand, are they really trying to build a team for the future at this point; or are all these "moves" just part of putting together the "holding pattern" until their draft picks develop to the point where they know what they got and then can go after the real free agents to fill out the rest of the team. Obviously, they can't be trying to put together a Cup team with what they got in this offseason. So, maybe someone can explain to me exactly what they are trying to accomplish, if not what I suggested in my opening sentence. |
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Post by Granada on Jul 3, 2024 11:00:07 GMT -6
Alright, now that the dust has settled, I'm still kind of 'meh' about these moves. Love Bertuzzi, but that's really it. I would have liked to see the Hawks get a guy like Lomberg instead of Smith/Maroon and/or Brodie. I still think Brodie and Martinez are redundant, I don't get why both are needed. I don't know, I sort of think they went a little too cheap here. Maybe it works out, but I'm not super jazzed about any of this. Wouldn't it be funny if Davidson is the opposite of Bowman -- great at drafting but shitty at picking up vets? Oh wait, Bowman sucked at both, never mind. On the other hand, are they really trying to build a team for the future at this point; or are all these "moves" just part of putting together the "holding pattern" until their draft picks develop to the point where they know what they got and then can go after the real free agents to fill out the rest of the team. Obviously, they can't be trying to put together a Cup team with what they got in this offseason. So, maybe someone can explain to me exactly what they are trying to accomplish, if not what I suggested in my opening sentence. True, other than Bertuzzi and Teravainen, none of these are really long-term moves. But I still would have preferred other short-term players, as I mentioned in my prior posts. And I would have preferred more long-term options, maybe one more in addition to Bertuzzi, not TT. Marchessault, Lomberg, Matt Martin are preferable (to me) compared to TT, Smith, and Maroon, respectively. |
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Post by BigT on Jul 3, 2024 11:11:44 GMT -6
Alright, now that the dust has settled, I'm still kind of 'meh' about these moves. Love Bertuzzi, but that's really it. I would have liked to see the Hawks get a guy like Lomberg instead of Smith/Maroon and/or Brodie. I still think Brodie and Martinez are redundant, I don't get why both are needed. I don't know, I sort of think they went a little too cheap here. Maybe it works out, but I'm not super jazzed about any of this. Wouldn't it be funny if Davidson is the opposite of Bowman -- great at drafting but shitty at picking up vets? Oh wait, Bowman sucked at both, never mind. On the other hand, are they really trying to build a team for the future at this point; or are all these "moves" just part of putting together the "holding pattern" until their draft picks develop to the point where they know what they got and then can go after the real free agents to fill out the rest of the team. Obviously, they can't be trying to put together a Cup team with what they got in this offseason. So, maybe someone can explain to me exactly what they are trying to accomplish, if not what I suggested in my opening sentence. What I believe to be happening is that the Hawks are making the team competitive. When a kid comes in, he literally has to earn the vets spot. And if they do, the vet will be traded or their contract expires. For example. Martinez is done after next year. So for EDM to take his job, he has to convince the org not to re-sign him. Then he has to beat out the other D prospects fighting for that job. They won’t just be handed a job. And I believe that goes for Korchinski this year. He won’t be handled a job just cuz. He will be fighting for one. Hence all the extra D. I wouldn’t be surprised if they start Korchinski in the AHL. Bring up Kaiser. Once Kaiser falters, they make the switch. Or if there’s injuries. Hawks are pretty injury prone I will say. So it doesn’t hurt to have the extra help. What they’ve done is create competition. And it’ll be good. I hope that they have great communication with the kids and let them know they’re gonna be coming back sooner than later. But they need a good attitude from them going down. But as we’ve seen, sometimes overcooking the prospects hurts them, kinda like Reichel. I think his heart was set on being in the NHL. He got sent down (and rightfully so). But it’s a different world now. Kids aren’t as tough as they once were!!! |
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