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Post by T-man2010 on Jul 3, 2024 11:15:58 GMT -6
On the other hand, are they really trying to build a team for the future at this point; or are all these "moves" just part of putting together the "holding pattern" until their draft picks develop to the point where they know what they got and then can go after the real free agents to fill out the rest of the team. Obviously, they can't be trying to put together a Cup team with what they got in this offseason. So, maybe someone can explain to me exactly what they are trying to accomplish, if not what I suggested in my opening sentence. True, other than Bertuzzi and Teravainen, none of these are really long-term moves. But I still would have preferred other short-term players, as I mentioned in my prior posts. And I would have preferred more long-term options, maybe one more in addition to Bertuzzi, not TT. Marchessault, Lomberg, Matt Martin are preferable (to me) compared to TT, Smith, and Maroon, respectively. Since some are just 1 yr deals, maybe we should look at next years UFA/RFA to target for the future core. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jul 3, 2024 11:20:17 GMT -6
True, other than Bertuzzi and Teravainen, none of these are really long-term moves. But I still would have preferred other short-term players, as I mentioned in my prior posts. And I would have preferred more long-term options, maybe one more in addition to Bertuzzi, not TT. Marchessault, Lomberg, Matt Martin are preferable (to me) compared to TT, Smith, and Maroon, respectively. Since some are just 1 yr deals, maybe we should look at next years UFA/RFA to target for the future core. And just because these guys are available doesn't mean they'll sign here, at least not this early in a rebuild. Maybe KD reached out to Marchessault and Lomberg, we don't know. But considering a lot of forwards were AHL players last season, these guys are an upgrade, especially Bert and Teravainen on the top6. |
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Post by hawkfaninpdx on Jul 3, 2024 12:33:42 GMT -6
On the other hand, are they really trying to build a team for the future at this point; or are all these "moves" just part of putting together the "holding pattern" until their draft picks develop to the point where they know what they got and then can go after the real free agents to fill out the rest of the team. Obviously, they can't be trying to put together a Cup team with what they got in this offseason. So, maybe someone can explain to me exactly what they are trying to accomplish, if not what I suggested in my opening sentence. What I believe to be happening is that the Hawks are making the team competitive. When a kid comes in, he literally has to earn the vets spot. And if they do, the vet will be traded or their contract expires. For example. Martinez is done after next year. So for EDM to take his job, he has to convince the org not to re-sign him. Then he has to beat out the other D prospects fighting for that job. They won’t just be handed a job. And I believe that goes for Korchinski this year. He won’t be handled a job just cuz. He will be fighting for one. Hence all the extra D. I wouldn’t be surprised if they start Korchinski in the AHL. Bring up Kaiser. Once Kaiser falters, they make the switch. Or if there’s injuries. Hawks are pretty injury prone I will say. So it doesn’t hurt to have the extra help. What they’ve done is create competition. And it’ll be good. I hope that they have great communication with the kids and let them know they’re gonna be coming back sooner than later. But they need a good attitude from them going down. But as we’ve seen, sometimes overcooking the prospects hurts them, kinda like Reichel. I think his heart was set on being in the NHL. He got sent down (and rightfully so). But it’s a different world now. Kids aren’t as tough as they once were!!! That seems like a good idea. For what it's worth, Kaiser was even in his 32 games. He's a decent puck moving d-man with potential. I am certainly relieved that no longer have players like Megna and Tinordi who get a deer in the headlights look every time they have a puck in the o-zone. |
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Post by ebonyraptor on Jul 3, 2024 12:45:10 GMT -6
On the other hand, are they really trying to build a team for the future at this point; or are all these "moves" just part of putting together the "holding pattern" until their draft picks develop to the point where they know what they got and then can go after the real free agents to fill out the rest of the team. Obviously, they can't be trying to put together a Cup team with what they got in this offseason. So, maybe someone can explain to me exactly what they are trying to accomplish, if not what I suggested in my opening sentence. What I believe to be happening is that the Hawks are making the team competitive. When a kid comes in, he literally has to earn the vets spot. And if they do, the vet will be traded or their contract expires. For example. Martinez is done after next year. So for EDM to take his job, he has to convince the org not to re-sign him. Then he has to beat out the other D prospects fighting for that job. They won’t just be handed a job. And I believe that goes for Korchinski this year. He won’t be handled a job just cuz. He will be fighting for one. Hence all the extra D. I wouldn’t be surprised if they start Korchinski in the AHL. Bring up Kaiser. Once Kaiser falters, they make the switch. Or if there’s injuries. Hawks are pretty injury prone I will say. So it doesn’t hurt to have the extra help. What they’ve done is create competition. And it’ll be good. I hope that they have great communication with the kids and let them know they’re gonna be coming back sooner than later. But they need a good attitude from them going down. But as we’ve seen, sometimes overcooking the prospects hurts them, kinda like Reichel. I think his heart was set on being in the NHL. He got sent down (and rightfully so). But it’s a different world now. Kids aren’t as tough as they once were!!! OR - play Korchinski with a bona fide NHL d-man this season rather than the riffraff he was saddled with last season and I include Murphy in that group who, if he isn't blocking shots, isn't good enough to be a help to a young player making mistakes. |
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Post by mvr on Jul 3, 2024 13:45:08 GMT -6
Re Korchinski - Davidson and staff gambled keeping the young kid up with the big club last year. I thought it was a huge mistake and suggested as much last October.
But there is no point in crying over spilled milk.
Now it is up to the coaches to build back the player's confidence step-by-step. Demoting him to Rockford to my mind would deflate the kid and compound the problem.
My hope is that he plays sheltered third-pairing minutes primarily with Martinez or Murphy. But he needs to play every night and not worry about anything other than the game at hand.
All the other kids, including EDM and Kaiser, should start the year in Rockford. Let's not make the same mistake twice. Promote guys slowly and organically. Don't force things.
Isaak Philips or Louis Crevier can rotate as the seventh guy until next spring. Neither are likely candidates for long term duty here.
I also hope Reichel is salvageable. He will have the opportunity to play alongside actual NHL players this year (and hopefully on the wing where he belongs and has played most of his career). What were the Hawks thinking last fall handing a young kid with such little professional experience the second-line centre role? Sometimes all you can do is shake the head.
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Post by LordKOTL on Jul 3, 2024 13:56:18 GMT -6
I watched a program analyzing the draft picks and one of the hosts suggested that Kor and Lev should both be sent to Rockford so they could partner up and learn the game at a slower pace. I’m not saying you’re wrong. But the AHL is actually an overall faster game. The main difference is that the skill is much much better in the National. So the goals are scored in different ways. Ask every NHL dman that played there. They’ll tell ya the same, the plays happen quicker and the at more accurate than the AHL due to the skill. Basically an NHL 3rd pairing dman would be top pair in the AHL. So one of the pros of the AHL is that you learn to really haul ass. Where as the NHL is a bit slower but the skill and the puck movement catches you off guard. For example. McDavid will lollygag through the neutral zone. And you’re thinking, “we’ve got all 5 guys back, we’re safe!”. Then, he stick handles and accelerates to 300 mph and then the puck is in the net. Whereas the AHL the guys drive hard through the neutral zone and come at you full bore. It can be deceiving at times because those guys are pretty fast too. But just don’t have the skill set. So I’m not sure the AHL is the best for Korchinski now. He really was dealt a bad hand last year. He had Murphy on one groin with him, then his pops died, then he got Megna who was a bad AHL player. Enough said. Let him get to play with TJ or Martinez or even Seth. He’ll be much much better!!! I don't think Seth is good partner for Korch--they weren't good together last season. Their games are too similar and Jones' game has an unfortunate tendency to disappear in our own end and in the neutral zone. Both need a steady defense 1st partner. Jones has Pickle. I think TJ and/or Martinez will be good for Korch--and possibly Murph if his last season was an anomaly and not Murph aging into a 6/7 PK specialist. If a kid comes in and shows themselves to be a righty stalwart D-1st Dman--and I mean *shows* it like Vlassic did and not based on an assumption of prior performance at lower levels, then give them a whirl. As for Korch/AHL? Like I said I think Korch's NHL slot is his to lose; I can see him dropping down if he's outplayed or sleepwalks through training camp, but if he comes in like he wants to be in the big club, then I think the slot is his. On the other hand, are they really trying to build a team for the future at this point; or are all these "moves" just part of putting together the "holding pattern" until their draft picks develop to the point where they know what they got and then can go after the real free agents to fill out the rest of the team. Obviously, they can't be trying to put together a Cup team with what they got in this offseason. So, maybe someone can explain to me exactly what they are trying to accomplish, if not what I suggested in my opening sentence. What I believe to be happening is that the Hawks are making the team competitive. When a kid comes in, he literally has to earn the vets spot. And if they do, the vet will be traded or their contract expires. For example. Martinez is done after next year. So for EDM to take his job, he has to convince the org not to re-sign him. Then he has to beat out the other D prospects fighting for that job. They won’t just be handed a job. And I believe that goes for Korchinski this year. He won’t be handled a job just cuz. He will be fighting for one. Hence all the extra D. I wouldn’t be surprised if they start Korchinski in the AHL. Bring up Kaiser. Once Kaiser falters, they make the switch. Or if there’s injuries. Hawks are pretty injury prone I will say. So it doesn’t hurt to have the extra help. What they’ve done is create competition. And it’ll be good. I hope that they have great communication with the kids and let them know they’re gonna be coming back sooner than later. But they need a good attitude from them going down. But as we’ve seen, sometimes overcooking the prospects hurts them, kinda like Reichel. I think his heart was set on being in the NHL. He got sent down (and rightfully so). But it’s a different world now. Kids aren’t as tough as they once were!!! That's what I figure as well--all of the vets are there until a kid proves themselves better, but I don't think Korch starts in the A over Kaiser unless Kaiser de facto outplays Korch in training camp--or anyone else vying for the 3-4 lefty slot. |
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Post by hawkfaninpdx on Jul 3, 2024 14:15:02 GMT -6
Re Korchinski - Davidson and staff gambled keeping the young kid up with the big club last year. I thought it was a huge mistake and suggested as much last October. But there is no point in crying over spilled milk. Now it is up to the coaches to build back the player's confidence step-by-step. Demoting him to Rockford to my mind would deflate the kid and compound the problem. My hope is that he plays sheltered third-pairing minutes primarily with Martinez or Murphy. But he needs to play every night and not worry about anything other than the game at hand. All the other kids, including EDM and Kaiser, should start the year in Rockford. Let's not make the same mistake twice. Promote guys slowly and organically. Don't force things. Isaak Philips or Louis Crevier can rotate as the seventh guy until next spring. Neither are likely candidates for long term duty here. I also hope Reichel is salvageable. He will have the opportunity to play alongside actual NHL players this year (and hopefully on the wing where he belongs and has played most of his career). What were the Hawks thinking last fall handing a young kid with such little professional experience the second-line centre role? Sometimes all you can do is shake the head. I believe that Reichel is most certainly salvageable. He's got speed, skill, and vision. He was just in a bad situation last season. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Jul 3, 2024 15:04:50 GMT -6
On the other hand, are they really trying to build a team for the future at this point; or are all these "moves" just part of putting together the "holding pattern" until their draft picks develop to the point where they know what they got and then can go after the real free agents to fill out the rest of the team. Obviously, they can't be trying to put together a Cup team with what they got in this offseason. So, maybe someone can explain to me exactly what they are trying to accomplish, if not what I suggested in my opening sentence. What I believe to be happening is that the Hawks are making the team competitive. When a kid comes in, he literally has to earn the vets spot. And if they do, the vet will be traded or their contract expires. For example. Martinez is done after next year. So for EDM to take his job, he has to convince the org not to re-sign him. Then he has to beat out the other D prospects fighting for that job. They won’t just be handed a job. And I believe that goes for Korchinski this year. He won’t be handled a job just cuz. He will be fighting for one. Hence all the extra D. I wouldn’t be surprised if they start Korchinski in the AHL. Bring up Kaiser. Once Kaiser falters, they make the switch. Or if there’s injuries. Hawks are pretty injury prone I will say. So it doesn’t hurt to have the extra help. What they’ve done is create competition. And it’ll be good. I hope that they have great communication with the kids and let them know they’re gonna be coming back sooner than later. But they need a good attitude from them going down. But as we’ve seen, sometimes overcooking the prospects hurts them, kinda like Reichel. I think his heart was set on being in the NHL. He got sent down (and rightfully so). But it’s a different world now. Kids aren’t as tough as they once were!!! So, not only will they be "competing" against other teams; but also there will an intrateam "competition" to show that one deserves to stick with the Hawks long-term. I guess that is one way of sorting through all the draft picks. It'll be interesting to see when they think they have it figured out well enough in terms of what players they want to have around for the final push to serious competition so that they can start signing FAs they would want around long-term along with the young wannabees who show enough talent to deserve to stick around. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jul 6, 2024 9:11:15 GMT -6
Bertuzzi wasn't even considering Chicago till Foligno reached out to him and convinced him to sign here.
And Davidson was the first person Teravainen met when he came to Chicago, he picked him up at the airport in 2014 and helped him get settled in Chicago.
Two past relationships helped to get guys to boost the top6.
Not sure how Luke will use them but they'd look good with Bedard.
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Post by vadarx on Jul 6, 2024 16:57:35 GMT -6
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Post by T-man2010 on Jul 6, 2024 17:31:26 GMT -6
I'm always a bit torn about these decisions to sign pro or finish at least 2 yrs of school. But now a days he can still do the school thing classes on line on the Rockford bus trips. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 6, 2024 17:40:43 GMT -6
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Post by tincup on Jul 6, 2024 17:42:52 GMT -6
Rockford it is then. Not really surprising. Now to see if they give him more than the three games that Dach received. ….just noticed…my 15,000th post. J.R. and I both get to be HOF’ers this year. |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 6, 2024 18:46:02 GMT -6
I'm always a bit torn about these decisions to sign pro or finish at least 2 yrs of school. But now a days he can still do the school thing classes on line on the Rockford bus trips. lol, he ain't playing school. if you read his interviews you can tell he has zero desire for college. |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 6, 2024 18:46:43 GMT -6
he looks like Dewey from Malcolm in the Middle to me. henceforth, I dub him Dewey. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 6, 2024 19:25:53 GMT -6
he looks like Dewey from Malcolm in the Middle to me. henceforth, I dub him Dewey. i'm a bit of a hillbilly...never seen it. but after a quick google search i concur, although i think dewey's ears stick out more. |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 6, 2024 20:21:41 GMT -6
he looks like Dewey from Malcolm in the Middle to me. henceforth, I dub him Dewey. i'm a bit of a hillbilly...never seen it. but after a quick google search i concur, although i think dewey's ears stick out more. I was never much of a fan, personally, but I saw someone mention it a while back and I haven't been able to unsee it, lol. I'm sure he will end up as Arty for most, but that one seems played out. maybe Levy is better. |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 6, 2024 20:24:48 GMT -6
anywayyyyyy.....
regardless of how we address him, he is a Blackhawk for real now that he is signed and I am thrilled. it'll be fun to track his progress in Rockford this year. as has been mentioned, I feel like he gets his 10 games as well, or they at least find a way to get him his NHL money this season. I'm guessing he needs it!
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jul 6, 2024 20:47:45 GMT -6
i'm a bit of a hillbilly...never seen it. but after a quick google search i concur, although i think dewey's ears stick out more. I was never much of a fan, personally, but I saw someone mention it a while back and I haven't been able to unsee it, lol. I'm sure he will end up as Arty for most, but that one seems played out. maybe Levy is better. Arty or Levy is better. I loved Malcolm in the Middle and Dewie was hilarious, especially with Bea Arthur, but I hope that name doesn't stick. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jul 6, 2024 20:54:28 GMT -6
anywayyyyyy..... regardless of how we address him, he is a Blackhawk for real now that he is signed and I am thrilled. it'll be fun to track his progress in Rockford this year. as has been mentioned, I feel like he gets his 10 games as well, or they at least find a way to get him his NHL money this season. I'm guessing he needs it! If he's in Rockford does it matter if he plays 10gms or not to burn a year? I thought turning pro would be his first year regardless. I like how KD said a player has to earn their spot and they have to be 100% convinced that player is ready because he doesn't want to send them down like he did with Reichel and Kaiser. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 6, 2024 20:57:24 GMT -6
i'm a bit of a hillbilly...never seen it. but after a quick google search i concur, although i think dewey's ears stick out more. I was never much of a fan, personally, but I saw someone mention it a while back and I haven't been able to unsee it, lol. I'm sure he will end up as Arty for most, but that one seems played out. maybe Levy is better. people don't get to pick their own nicknames (see george costanza) but in a recent interview he himself said to call him arty. |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 6, 2024 21:15:33 GMT -6
I was never much of a fan, personally, but I saw someone mention it a while back and I haven't been able to unsee it, lol. I'm sure he will end up as Arty for most, but that one seems played out. maybe Levy is better. Arty or Levy is better. I loved Malcolm in the Middle and Dewie was hilarious, especially with Bea Arthur, but I hope that name doesn't stick. you gotta admit, though, he does look like him... |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 6, 2024 21:17:36 GMT -6
anywayyyyyy..... regardless of how we address him, he is a Blackhawk for real now that he is signed and I am thrilled. it'll be fun to track his progress in Rockford this year. as has been mentioned, I feel like he gets his 10 games as well, or they at least find a way to get him his NHL money this season. I'm guessing he needs it! If he's in Rockford does it matter if he plays 10gms or not to burn a year? I thought turning pro would be his first year regardless. I like how KD said a player has to earn their spot and they have to be 100% convinced that player is ready because he doesn't want to send them down like he did with Reichel and Kaiser. I feel like they can still slide his contract if he plays in the AHL, but I'm not 100%. I was mostly thinking that his ass is probably broke and could use some money to live on. but I'm not sure how that all works as far as getting him some of his NHL contract. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jul 6, 2024 23:17:02 GMT -6
If he's in Rockford does it matter if he plays 10gms or not to burn a year? I thought turning pro would be his first year regardless. I like how KD said a player has to earn their spot and they have to be 100% convinced that player is ready because he doesn't want to send them down like he did with Reichel and Kaiser. I feel like they can still slide his contract if he plays in the AHL, but I'm not 100%. I was mostly thinking that his ass is probably broke and could use some money to live on. but I'm not sure how that all works as far as getting him some of his NHL contract. Just checked, if he doesn't play 10gms his contract slides a year. And him and his family got by this far, even making less money in the AHL will really help them. If everything goes as planned they'll never have to worry about money again. |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 7, 2024 1:40:17 GMT -6
I feel like they can still slide his contract if he plays in the AHL, but I'm not 100%. I was mostly thinking that his ass is probably broke and could use some money to live on. but I'm not sure how that all works as far as getting him some of his NHL contract. Just checked, if he doesn't play 10gms his contract slides a year. And him and his family got by this far, even making less money in the AHL will really help them. If everything goes as planned they'll never have to worry about money again. true, but not taking care of him now might come back to bite those in charge down the road. I really feel like they will find some way to burn that first year of his deal, even if it is just to get to his second contract quicker. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 7, 2024 1:52:38 GMT -6
Just checked, if he doesn't play 10gms his contract slides a year. And him and his family got by this far, even making less money in the AHL will really help them. If everything goes as planned they'll never have to worry about money again. true, but not taking care of him now might come back to bite those in charge down the road. I really feel like they will find some way to burn that first year of his deal, even if it is just to get to his second contract quicker. Wow. That's a switch. : ) |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 7, 2024 2:00:35 GMT -6
true, but not taking care of him now might come back to bite those in charge down the road. I really feel like they will find some way to burn that first year of his deal, even if it is just to get to his second contract quicker. Wow. That's a switch. : ) yeah, I'm still not a big fan of that idea, but in this case I feel like that is what they will do. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Jul 7, 2024 5:34:01 GMT -6
i'm a bit of a hillbilly...never seen it. but after a quick google search i concur, although i think dewey's ears stick out more. I was never much of a fan, personally, but I saw someone mention it a while back and I haven't been able to unsee it, lol. I'm sure he will end up as Arty for most, but that one seems played out. maybe Levy is better. Then the UC can play Zeppelin "When the Levy breaks". |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 7, 2024 5:58:51 GMT -6
I was never much of a fan, personally, but I saw someone mention it a while back and I haven't been able to unsee it, lol. I'm sure he will end up as Arty for most, but that one seems played out. maybe Levy is better. Then the UC can play Zeppelin "When the Levy breaks". but then where will the Blackhawks stay? |
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Post by BigT on Jul 7, 2024 8:31:47 GMT -6
Maybe they can put a clause in there he gets paid nhl money no matter where he plays. I think he does need the money. He made nothing at State. He was taken care of. I’m sure this was a huge factor going into him turning pro. What ever signing bonus he can get, I’m sure he got it. What ever bonus’s he can get, I’m sure he’ll get them.
Reichel was kinda the same. They had to get him his 10 games to ensure that he had money to stay in NA. Chicagoland ain’t cheap.
Anyways, I’m sure the the young kid in the org will take him around and hang out with him, and be his future GM down the road. He’ll be well taken care of!!!
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