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Post by bigbarn27 on Oct 30, 2024 19:12:58 GMT -6
I believe Allan should get the nod over the other two. I’m still not sold on either. They’re starting to age out. Like how much more development time does a 22/23 year old need? I get that at times Kaiser looks decent. But for the most part he’s just a warm body. I’m not saying he should be thrown away. But I’m sure he and Phillips could be trade fodder one day soon. And maybe that’s the reasoning behind those two staying up and or being called up. I’m not convinced all players need the AHL. I think it’s good for some. But it think that a player can come along slowly at the NHL level. Start them out as #6/7. And let them earn their way up. It’s really that simple. Next year, as of now, the Hawks have Seth, Murph, TJ and Vlasic. Are they gonna insert Levshunov, KK and say EDM for their 7? I mean it’s possible. But that’s a lot of youth at one time. Then on forward there’s a shit ton leaving, Maroon, Smith, Hall and Anderson. Losing those 4 will be tough to replace with what the Hawks currently have. I would guess Nazar, Dach, Slaggert maybe Savoie? 7 rookies or near rookies will get the team to take a step back. But it is what it is!!! Gotta strongly disagree with you on that one. I think he's just tapping the surface of what he will be because he hasn't tapped into his offense yet. He has very good instincts and the skating to make plays. In fact I would put him at QB on the PP - replace Seth (which should be done regardless) and have Kaiser and Vlasic be the 2 QB's - start with Kaiser on PP#2 and see how he does. I was wondering when you were gonna defend your guy ER. I hope your right but it is gonna get crowed. Ben Pope also with a very good piece on moving Pickle to PP1 Ill try to repost but really not in my skill set. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Oct 30, 2024 19:27:59 GMT -6
Gotta strongly disagree with you on that one. I think he's just tapping the surface of what he will be because he hasn't tapped into his offense yet. He has very good instincts and the skating to make plays. In fact I would put him at QB on the PP - replace Seth (which should be done regardless) and have Kaiser and Vlasic be the 2 QB's - start with Kaiser on PP#2 and see how he does. I was wondering when you were gonna defend your guy ER. I hope your right but it is gonna get crowed. Ben Pope also with a very good piece on moving Pickle to PP1 Ill try to repost but really not in my skill set. here's the link, but it's paywalled and i've reached my monthly limit of free views. i tried to quickly copy it to paste, but the article disappeared before my sausage fingers could find the right keys. maybe someone else can view and share. chicago.suntimes.com/blackhawks/2024/10/29/blackhawks-power-play-nhl-seth-jones-alex-vlasic-connor-bedard-roles |
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Post by ebonyraptor on Oct 30, 2024 20:01:52 GMT -6
Gotta strongly disagree with you on that one. I think he's just tapping the surface of what he will be because he hasn't tapped into his offense yet. He has very good instincts and the skating to make plays. In fact I would put him at QB on the PP - replace Seth (which should be done regardless) and have Kaiser and Vlasic be the 2 QB's - start with Kaiser on PP#2 and see how he does. I was wondering when you were gonna defend your guy ER. I hope your right but it is gonna get crowed. Ben Pope also with a very good piece on moving Pickle to PP1 Ill try to repost but really not in my skill set. Until Vlasic played so well last game against Colorado - I thought his play had dropped off from last season, or at least wasn't as consistent. I though Kaiser had actually played better and more consistent than any of the other d-men. Then Vlasic played a monster game and firmly established himself into the Hawks best d-man position. Can Vlasic be a serviceable or even a good PP-QB? I don't know but what I do know is Seth is not a good PP-QB for a number of reasons and LR should replace him on PP1 and put someone else on PP2 - Kaiser would be my pick until Martinez comes back. Seth should play top d-pairing 5-on-5 and on the PK - period. |
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Post by Tater on Oct 31, 2024 2:09:51 GMT -6
This is all I could copy from it:
Blackhawks Sports NHL
Blackhawks experimenting with power-play roles of defensemen Seth Jones, Alex Vlasic
Vlasic’s left-handedness theoretically makes him a better fit at the point above right-handed Connor Bedard, but Jones has far more experience in that spot. The Hawks have tried both options.
By Ben Pope
Oct 29, 2024, 3:38pm CDT
Seth Jones
Seth Jones’ right-handedness poses a small problem on the Blackhawks’ power play.
DENVER — The Blackhawks probably wish Seth Jones was left-handed.
It would make their preferred power-play arrangement work better if he was. That’s because right-handed Connor Bedard, who plays on the left flank, would have an easier time passing up to him at the point.
Think about it: Jones’ right-handedness means his stick blade is positioned about three feet to his right, away from Bedard. If Jones was left-handed, his blade would be about six feet closer to Bedard while standing in the exact same spot.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Oct 31, 2024 6:49:45 GMT -6
This is all I could copy from it:
Blackhawks Sports NHL
Blackhawks experimenting with power-play roles of defensemen Seth Jones, Alex Vlasic
Vlasic’s left-handedness theoretically makes him a better fit at the point above right-handed Connor Bedard, but Jones has far more experience in that spot. The Hawks have tried both options.
By Ben Pope
Oct 29, 2024, 3:38pm CDT
Seth Jones
Seth Jones’ right-handedness poses a small problem on the Blackhawks’ power play.
DENVER — The Blackhawks probably wish Seth Jones was left-handed.
It would make their preferred power-play arrangement work better if he was. That’s because right-handed Connor Bedard, who plays on the left flank, would have an easier time passing up to him at the point.
Think about it: Jones’ right-handedness means his stick blade is positioned about three feet to his right, away from Bedard. If Jones was left-handed, his blade would be about six feet closer to Bedard while standing in the exact same spot.
That's funny because it doesn't matter if he's a righty, he's notoriously bad at passing to anyone. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Oct 31, 2024 7:02:00 GMT -6
I was wondering when you were gonna defend your guy ER. I hope your right but it is gonna get crowed. Ben Pope also with a very good piece on moving Pickle to PP1 Ill try to repost but really not in my skill set. Until Vlasic played so well last game against Colorado - I thought his play had dropped off from last season, or at least wasn't as consistent. I though Kaiser had actually played better and more consistent than any of the other d-men. Then Vlasic played a monster game and firmly established himself into the Hawks best d-man position. Can Vlasic be a serviceable or even a good PP-QB? I don't know but what I do know is Seth is not a good PP-QB for a number of reasons and LR should replace him on PP1 and put someone else on PP2 - Kaiser would be my pick until Martinez comes back. Seth should play top d-pairing 5-on-5 and on the PK - period. Even with Vlasics play dropping to start the season, there's no way Kaiser has been better and definitely not the most consistent dman of them all, unless you mean consistent at making bad plays. Even Kaisers best game, vs Edmonton, when he got his only point and had 4 hits, Vlasic played 6 more minutes, had an assist and 4 blocked shots. But I agree that Jones shouldn't be on the #1 PP. |
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Post by mvr on Oct 31, 2024 9:08:40 GMT -6
Most of these defence prospects are all young. They have years of development before becoming finished products.
I think it is clear already that the team has at least three potential top four defencemen (Korchinski, Vlasic and Levshunov) in the system. Their floors are already that high. Jones is not going anywhere.
Regarding the others - Allen, Del Mastro, Rinzel and Kaiser all seem to have legit NHL floors as bottom pairing guys. Anyone of these players could become much more given the right development path. I also still really like Crevrier and to somewhat lesser extent Isaac Phillips. My feeling is that both are full time NHL players at some point.
Clearly, there is some real depth here on defence, though it is still far too early to project which of the group will be the team's most valuable.
In the mid 2000s, we all envisioned Cam Barker and Brent Seabrook as the future on defence. Anton Babchuck was the other big name, but we all recognized he was a bit of a project (as was his eventual replacement, Danny Richmond). There were others in the system - Duncan Keith (a late second round pick), James Wisniewski and Nik Hjalmarsson (fourth rounders) and Dustin Byfuglien (an eighth rounder). But each had big flaws to address.
Much can change in how we rank these prospects in a few years. My feeling is that the team's present prospect base on defence if anything is even stronger now than it was then. We have no idea, however, as to which of the players if any will emerge as the next Duncan Keith. It could be Korchinski, but it also might be Kaiser or someone else depending on how that player responds to the development coaching. Kaiser has the talent to be very good.
We tend to overrate draft order and fail to place enough emphasis on player development. A well-coached kid with a strong sense of self and an eagerness to improve might emerge from among the lesser known names in the system.
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Post by mvr on Oct 31, 2024 9:13:50 GMT -6
Let's remember- two years ago, few had Vlasic ranked in their top ten prospect lists. Most considered him a marginal third pairing guy. Much changes very quickly.
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Post by hsbob on Oct 31, 2024 9:47:05 GMT -6
Most of these defence prospects are all young. They have years of development before becoming finished products. I think it is clear already that the team has at least three potential top four defencemen (Korchinski, Vlasic and Levshunov) in the system. Their floors are already that high. Jones is not going anywhere. Regarding the others - Allen, Del Mastro, Rinzel and Kaiser all seem to have legit NHL floors as bottom pairing guys. Anyone of these players could become much more given the right development path. I also still really like Crevrier and to somewhat lesser extent Isaac Phillips. My feeling is that both are full time NHL players at some point. Clearly, there is some real depth here on defence, though it is still far too early to project which of the group will be the team's most valuable. In the mid 2000s, we all envisioned Cam Barker and Brent Seabrook as the future on defence. Anton Babchuck was the other big name, but we all recognized he was a bit of a project (as was his eventual replacement, Danny Richmond). There were others in the system - Duncan Keith (a late second round pick), James Wisniewski and Nik Hjalmarsson (fourth rounders) and Dustin Byfuglien (an eighth rounder). But each had big flaws to address. Much can change in how we rank these prospects in a few years. My feeling is that the team's present prospect base on defence if anything is even stronger now than it was then. We have no idea, however, as to which of the players if any will emerge as the next Duncan Keith. It could be Korchinski, but it also might be Kaiser or someone else depending on how that player responds to the development coaching. Kaiser has the talent to be very good. We tend to overrate draft order and fail to place enough emphasis on player development. A well-coached kid with a strong sense of self and an eagerness to improve might emerge from among the lesser known names in the system. VERY WELL SAID! To your first sentence,the old belief was it took 200 NHL starts to assess a young D-man,but with the immergance of younger players in today's game, many teams will have to make important decisions on young D-men WELL before that. Much CAN change in how we rank these prospects indeed, but there's a good chance that 2 or 3 of our D prospect see NOWHERE close to enough assessment before decisions have to be made on them next summer. FEW systems can remain patient with 22-24yro prospects and our's ISN'T one with the number of younger D-men taken in higher rounds becoming more ready every day. They'll be other teams with their own over abundance of young player at other positions too, and this is where the FO has to recognize which one's to pursue. I admit to wanting a more competitive team this year but keeping both Jones and Murh and adding two other vets after the year Vlasic had left precious little time to assess the many young D-men in need of assessment. |
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Post by mvr on Oct 31, 2024 10:24:50 GMT -6
This is the main reason why I'm convinced that the smart approach always at the draft table is to make selections based primarily on positional need as opposed to "best player available."
Most importantly, I don't think any scout can really project which 18 year old turns into the "best" player, especially after the first couple of picks. The whole idea is a nonsensical fallacy. We just don't know. Nobody can predict the future (and it is why I buy index funds as oppose to individual stocks)
The problem with hoarding players who play the same position or project to the same type of player is finding a spot for each of them. As it stands, this team already has at least five small puck distributor types - Bedard, Nazar, Lardis, Kantserov and Moore. At most, there will be room for two or three of them in the team's top six (and this is assuming guys like Kurashev, Reichel and Teravainen are not part of the team's long term plan).
Teams don't really trade quality for quality prospects any longer. This is why Anaheim is finding it difficult to achieve anything worthwhile for Zegras (given their surplus at centre).
Moving forward, for the next several years the Hawks should avoid drafting any more defencemen, goalies or small forwards (unless an exceptional one drops).
Davidson has one positional need to address (and that is really it). But it is a glaring hole. They need to start adding high quality big power forwards to the system (players with well above average size - ie 6"3" plus - and legit physicality).
If Davidson needs to reach down in the draft to get some (especially at the centre position), he should do it and hope his coaches turn the prospects into something worthwhile.
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Post by Hockey is great on Oct 31, 2024 10:33:46 GMT -6
This is the main reason why I'm convinced that the smart approach always at the draft table is to make selections based primarily on positional need as opposed to "best player available." Most importantly, I don't think any scout can really project which 18 year old turns into the "best" player, especially after the first couple of picks. The whole idea is a nonsensical fallacy. We just don't know. Nobody can predict the future (and it is why I buy index funds as oppose to individual stocks) The problem with hoarding players who play the same position or project to the same type of player is finding a spot for each of them. As it stands, this team already has at least five small puck distributor types - Bedard, Nazar, Lardis, Kantserov and Moore. At most, there will be room for two or three of them in the team's top six (and this is assuming guys like Kurashev, Reichel and Teravainen are not part of the team's long term plan). Teams don't really trade quality for quality prospects any longer. This is why Anaheim is finding it difficult to achieve anything worthwhile for Zegras (given their surplus at centre). Moving forward, for the next several years the Hawks should avoid drafting any more defencemen, goalies or small forwards (unless an exceptional one drops). Davidson has one positional need to address (and that is really it). But it is a glaring hole. They need to start adding high quality big power forwards to the system (players with well above average size - ie 6"3" plus - and legit physicality). If Davidson needs to reach down in the draft to get some (especially at the centre position), he should do it and hope his coaches turn the prospects into something worthwhile. Porter martone incoming |
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Post by ebonyraptor on Oct 31, 2024 10:35:05 GMT -6
Until Vlasic played so well last game against Colorado - I thought his play had dropped off from last season, or at least wasn't as consistent. I though Kaiser had actually played better and more consistent than any of the other d-men. Then Vlasic played a monster game and firmly established himself into the Hawks best d-man position. Can Vlasic be a serviceable or even a good PP-QB? I don't know but what I do know is Seth is not a good PP-QB for a number of reasons and LR should replace him on PP1 and put someone else on PP2 - Kaiser would be my pick until Martinez comes back. Seth should play top d-pairing 5-on-5 and on the PK - period. Even with Vlasics play dropping to start the season, there's no way Kaiser has been better and definitely not the most consistent dman of them all, unless you mean consistent at making bad plays. Even Kaisers best game, vs Edmonton, when he got his only point and had 4 hits, Vlasic played 6 more minutes, had an assist and 4 blocked shots. But I agree that Jones shouldn't be on the #1 PP. I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree on that - as I see him making many more good plays than bad plays. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Oct 31, 2024 13:25:58 GMT -6
While Kaiser has not been as bad as Brodie, I don't see anything from his collective game which says that right now he's de facto earned a spot like Vlassic did last year. And even this year with a soph. slump by Vlassic, he hasn't regressed that much. He's still carrying Jones in the backend better then Kaiser has.
Thus, no reason he couldn't be sat a few games or swapped down to Rockford to see more from other prospect D-men. It won't kill him to sit and give Phillips a chance, or EDM, or anyone else. I don't think it's time to move on from him, but I don't think he's solidified a spot over everyone else because we haven't seen everyone else.
That being said, I'd rather sit Brodie over Kaiser. So far he's been Megna bad.
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Post by mvr on Oct 31, 2024 14:16:28 GMT -6
This is the main reason why I'm convinced that the smart approach always at the draft table is to make selections based primarily on positional need as opposed to "best player available." Most importantly, I don't think any scout can really project which 18 year old turns into the "best" player, especially after the first couple of picks. The whole idea is a nonsensical fallacy. We just don't know. Nobody can predict the future (and it is why I buy index funds as oppose to individual stocks) The problem with hoarding players who play the same position or project to the same type of player is finding a spot for each of them. As it stands, this team already has at least five small puck distributor types - Bedard, Nazar, Lardis, Kantserov and Moore. At most, there will be room for two or three of them in the team's top six (and this is assuming guys like Kurashev, Reichel and Teravainen are not part of the team's long term plan). Teams don't really trade quality for quality prospects any longer. This is why Anaheim is finding it difficult to achieve anything worthwhile for Zegras (given their surplus at centre). Moving forward, for the next several years the Hawks should avoid drafting any more defencemen, goalies or small forwards (unless an exceptional one drops). Davidson has one positional need to address (and that is really it). But it is a glaring hole. They need to start adding high quality big power forwards to the system (players with well above average size - ie 6"3" plus - and legit physicality). If Davidson needs to reach down in the draft to get some (especially at the centre position), he should do it and hope his coaches turn the prospects into something worthwhile. Porter martone incoming Or one of Roger McQueen and Lynden Lavovic from the WHL. Unless the talent gap is truly enormous, you'd hope the general manager starts to prioritize this kind of player The "experts" tell us five foot ten Boston College kid James Hagan might be the "best" prospect right now, but who really knows? Clearly with Bedard and the others, this team does not need yet another with this same skillset. |
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Post by mvr on Oct 31, 2024 14:28:19 GMT -6
While Kaiser has not been as bad as Brodie, I don't see anything from his collective game which says that right now he's de facto earned a spot like Vlassic did last year. And even this year with a soph. slump by Vlassic, he hasn't regressed that much. He's still carrying Jones in the backend better then Kaiser has. Thus, no reason he couldn't be sat a few games or swapped down to Rockford to see more from other prospect D-men. It won't kill him to sit and give Phillips a chance, or EDM, or anyone else. I don't think it's time to move on from him, but I don't think he's solidified a spot over everyone else because we haven't seen everyone else. That being said, I'd rather sit Brodie over Kaiser. So far he's been Megna bad. My preference would be to minimize the turnover this year. Keep Kaiser with the big club, and play him every day. He is at the age where it is time for him to be given a real shot. Send the younger kid Allan back to Rockford when Martinez returns so he plays big minutes every night. Sacrifice one of the marginal prospects (ie Crevrier and Phillips) as the number seven guy sitting in the press box and occasionally filling in. We know the coach will play the veterans every night as he should while they are here. We don't want Allan's further development to be clipped by managerial stupidity. He needs to play every night. But let's stop with the constant rotation of prospects. It is terrible for a kid's confidence and overall development to be yo-yoed up and down at management's whim. Let them get comfortable in one situation. Management needs to be patient. Reichel should stay on that fourth line and play every game for the next several weeks no matter what happens. He will have good games, and bad ones too, but hopefully the good start outweighing the bad as time progresses. |
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Post by hawkfaninpdx on Oct 31, 2024 15:07:20 GMT -6
It would be interesting to let Kaiser loose on offense a little more. He's a very good skater and has a pretty good shot. He can carry the puck in and stimulate offense. I suspect that the type of game that Luke has them playing doesn't quite jibe with Kaiser's strength. I think that Luke has them thinking defense first.
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Post by mvr on Oct 31, 2024 15:12:31 GMT -6
There are really only three prospects the team needs to make decisions about this year:
Kaiser, Crevrier and Phillips.
All the others can percolate in Rockford or elsewhere for some time without any worries about the waiver wire or development stagnation. Unless one of them truly dominates versus his peers and demonstrates a need to play a higher level to further grow his game (a player such as Conner Bedard), I think it is best to slow things down dramatically and leave the prospects alone playing with kids their own age.
The truth is that management prematurely promoted Reichel and Dach and too many others in recent years, and in so doing destroyed player confidence.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Oct 31, 2024 23:52:14 GMT -6
Now that the Hawks are in last place, maybe it's time to make a trade.
Hall and Murphy are healthy and playing decent, maybe try moving those two.
Davidson needs to get a big young guy needing a change, Pinto, McTavish, Kakko, etc.
And moving Murphy opens up a spot on D for one of the Rockford guys.
Yes the team had a big turnover and it's only 11gms in but they need a spark.
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Post by Hockey is great on Nov 1, 2024 6:54:13 GMT -6
Now that the Hawks are in last place, maybe it's time to make a trade. Hall and Murphy are healthy and playing decent, maybe try moving those two. Davidson needs to get a big young guy needing a change, Pinto, McTavish, Kakko, etc. And moving Murphy opens up a spot on D for one of the Rockford guys. Yes the team had a big turnover and it's only 11gms in but they need a spark. think hall will be a trade deadline deal. Murphy take advantage of him being healthy now |
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Post by vadarx on Nov 1, 2024 9:26:27 GMT -6
Now that the Hawks are in last place, maybe it's time to make a trade. Hall and Murphy are healthy and playing decent, maybe try moving those two. Davidson needs to get a big young guy needing a change, Pinto, McTavish, Kakko, etc. And moving Murphy opens up a spot on D for one of the Rockford guys. Yes the team had a big turnover and it's only 11gms in but they need a spark. think hall will be a trade deadline deal. Murphy take advantage of him being healthy now probably should take advantage of both being healthy right now tbh. probably a fair chance neither makes it to the deadline. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Nov 1, 2024 11:11:31 GMT -6
While Kaiser has not been as bad as Brodie, I don't see anything from his collective game which says that right now he's de facto earned a spot like Vlassic did last year. And even this year with a soph. slump by Vlassic, he hasn't regressed that much. He's still carrying Jones in the backend better then Kaiser has. Thus, no reason he couldn't be sat a few games or swapped down to Rockford to see more from other prospect D-men. It won't kill him to sit and give Phillips a chance, or EDM, or anyone else. I don't think it's time to move on from him, but I don't think he's solidified a spot over everyone else because we haven't seen everyone else. That being said, I'd rather sit Brodie over Kaiser. So far he's been Megna bad. My preference would be to minimize the turnover this year. Keep Kaiser with the big club, and play him every day. He is at the age where it is time for him to be given a real shot. Send the younger kid Allan back to Rockford when Martinez returns so he plays big minutes every night. Sacrifice one of the marginal prospects (ie Crevrier and Phillips) as the number seven guy sitting in the press box and occasionally filling in. We know the coach will play the veterans every night as he should while they are here. We don't want Allan's further development to be clipped by managerial stupidity. He needs to play every night. But let's stop with the constant rotation of prospects. It is terrible for a kid's confidence and overall development to be yo-yoed up and down at management's whim. Let them get comfortable in one situation. Management needs to be patient. Reichel should stay on that fourth line and play every game for the next several weeks no matter what happens. He will have good games, and bad ones too, but hopefully the good start outweighing the bad as time progresses. I can see your point except for the bolded. Brodie should not be playing unless all options up to and including Leshunov are exhausted. He brings nothing to the ice that Crevier, Allan, EDM, Phillips, etc. can't bring. When Martinez returns he should he fetching soft serve; hell, he should he doing it now. The rest of the D vets are doing well enough or doing good; that's fine. Brodie brings nothing. |
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Post by mvr on Nov 1, 2024 13:28:58 GMT -6
It often takes weeks if not months for a veteran player to find his game after a trade or a UFA.
This is why I'm firmly on the side of avoiding making these kinds of moves as much as possible. Too many trades and too much roster disruption is the single most obvious cancer to any team.... it is a sure fire recipe to a losing season.
Brodie is obviously finding the adjustment difficult. Who knows why? It could be he is having trouble with the system. He might be distracted by outside pressures in moving to a new location. He is certainly not the only one. Bertuzzi is also going through much the same thing.
The key here is to be patient. Let's give both of them at least another month to find their games.
This is not by any means uncommon. It is actually highly predictable. Davidson caused this mess, and the only way to fix it is to slow things down and allow players to get to know each other. Hopefully some team chemistry develops if not on the main roster than in Rockford with the kids. More change is certainly not the solution.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Nov 1, 2024 13:33:13 GMT -6
think hall will be a trade deadline deal. Murphy take advantage of him being healthy now probably should take advantage of both being healthy right now tbh. probably a fair chance neither makes it to the deadline. Exactly, don't wait in case they get injured, especially around the deadline. Shouldn't be to hard to move them, especially with money retained and the term remaining on their contracts. |
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Post by mvr on Nov 1, 2024 13:52:33 GMT -6
The only real goal this year should be to develop the young kids for the future.
How do you best do it?
To my mind, the best approach is to shelter as many of them as possible away from the sh*t show in Chicago. My feeling is that most of the kids including Allan would be much better off playing with others their own age in Rockford and building a winning team culture there.
Bedard obviously has to play in Chicago (unfortunately). So do Vlasic and Kaiser, who have aged out of the AHL. I would keep also keep Phillips here all year if for no other reason than because the team does need a number seven guy (and it is his turn based on seniority).
But none of the others should be here at least until next February/March. The culture with the big club at present is obviously rotten and has been for some time. Players in a losing roster become cynical and selfish. The veterans know they are trade chips. Many are only here for the payday. The situation is not good for kids. Leaving them in Rockford is the best route for their development.
If we have to endure one or two more years of placeholders like Brodie so the kids can develop properly, so be it. This is the reality of a tanking approach to a rebuild.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Nov 1, 2024 13:57:00 GMT -6
It often takes weeks if not months for a veteran player to find his game after a trade or a UFA. This is why I'm firmly on the side of avoiding making these kinds of moves as much as possible. Too many trades and too much roster disruption is the single most obvious cancer to any team.... it is a sure fire recipe to a losing season. Brodie is obviously finding the adjustment difficult. Who knows why? It could be he is having trouble with the system. He might be distracted by outside pressures in moving to a new location. He is certainly not the only one. Bertuzzi is also going through much the same thing. The key here is to be patient. Let's give both of them at least another month to find their games. This is not by any means uncommon. It is actually highly predictable. Davidson caused this mess, and the only way to fix it is to slow things down and allow players to get to know each other. Hopefully some team chemistry develops if not on the main roster than in Rockford with the kids. More change is certainly not the solution. Of course there has to be patients with new players and Brodie has no value now, so he shouldn't be an option, but would you be against trading Hall and/or Murphy if it meant getting a guy like Pinto or McTavish? Neither guy will be brought back when their contracts are up, so moving one or both now makes sense. Get a young guy who'll be part of the future and has 3/4 of the season to build chemistry. And KD is doing exactly what he said he'd do. He knows a lot of change can't happen every year but it was necessary the first couple. Next summer won't be as bad and it'll get better after that. |
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Post by mvr on Nov 1, 2024 13:57:53 GMT -6
People forget.
During the last rebuild, we put up with rosters where veteran AHL castoffs like Steve Poapst were often among the team's better players.
The situation is what it is.
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Post by mvr on Nov 1, 2024 14:05:57 GMT -6
It often takes weeks if not months for a veteran player to find his game after a trade or a UFA. This is why I'm firmly on the side of avoiding making these kinds of moves as much as possible. Too many trades and too much roster disruption is the single most obvious cancer to any team.... it is a sure fire recipe to a losing season. Brodie is obviously finding the adjustment difficult. Who knows why? It could be he is having trouble with the system. He might be distracted by outside pressures in moving to a new location. He is certainly not the only one. Bertuzzi is also going through much the same thing. The key here is to be patient. Let's give both of them at least another month to find their games. This is not by any means uncommon. It is actually highly predictable. Davidson caused this mess, and the only way to fix it is to slow things down and allow players to get to know each other. Hopefully some team chemistry develops if not on the main roster than in Rockford with the kids. More change is certainly not the solution. Of course there has to be patients with new players and Brodie has no value now, so he shouldn't be an option, but would you be against trading Hall and/or Murphy if it meant getting a guy like Pinto or McTavish? Neither guy will be brought back when their contracts are up, so moving one or both now makes sense. Get a young guy who'll be part of the future and has 3/4 of the season to build chemistry. And KD is doing exactly what he said he'd do. He knows a lot of change can't happen every year but it was necessary the first couple. Next summer won't be as bad and it'll get better after that. I'm keeping Hall until the trade deadline where he will have max trade value because his contract will be almost expired. Regarding Murphy, my guess is he won't get moved until the spring for the exact same reason. There will be others offered around, including likely Donato, Smith and Martinez. AA has no trade value. My guess is that Hall is worth a second rounder at best. Murphy might be worth a late first if packaged with Donato and offered at half price to a contender at trade deadline. Martinez might get you a third and Smith a fourth rounder. None of these trade chips will achieve anything worthwhile to help with the short term situation. To get a Pinto or McTavish would require trading some of the Hawk prospects we all want to keep. Rebuilding teams in the cap era don't trade quality young players for aging overpaid veterans. |
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Post by Hockey is great on Nov 1, 2024 14:15:29 GMT -6
think hall will be a trade deadline deal. Murphy take advantage of him being healthy now probably should take advantage of both being healthy right now tbh. probably a fair chance neither makes it to the deadline. Wouldn’t bother me at all. |
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Post by mvr on Nov 1, 2024 14:21:47 GMT -6
Most of the contenders lack both the cap space and the interest in making trades right now.
There likely is little to no market for any of the Hawk veteran players, especially the overpaid ones. Even if Davidson wanted to make a move, my guess is that he could not find a taker.
Selling low is never the smart approach.
Hopefully, guys like Hall find their games between now and March and start generating some scoring numbers. The return for any of the Hawks trade chips will be long term futures/draft picks.
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Post by tincup on Nov 1, 2024 14:46:56 GMT -6
Rewarding Donato. I don’t mind this move. The first line needs a digger and in reality TT has only two even strength points playing with Bedard. Although I still think Bertuzzi should be the one dropping to the third line, TT to the second. Hopefully the PP lineups have been shaken as well.
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