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Post by Tater on May 13, 2020 23:30:59 GMT -6
Stan should be fired just for the Nolander trade.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on May 14, 2020 7:53:55 GMT -6
Stan should be fired just for the Nolander trade. Yes he should be fired but with reports of how McD was, maybe Jokiharju crossed John somehow and he demanded that trade. |
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Post by hsbob on May 14, 2020 8:34:32 GMT -6
If Q and McD were the problems,the team should take right off from here on out.....I'm all F'n giddy!
Who was that screaming at then GM Dale Talon in the suite during a '09'PO game? Was it his superior,president John Mcdonough? NO...it was a supposed underling,special assistant Scotty Bowman.....that's who. He either already knew Jr was takin' DT's job in the near future or had absolutely no respect for DT and certainly no fear of being so subordinate and none of being fired. HE HAS ROCKY'S EAR.....he'd never get away with that if he didn't!
'Little Caesar' held enough sway to assure his boy and his staff made their own decisions IMO.
If SB and his staff sat back and let a non-hockey guy tell em who to draft,then it's all the more reason to see his useless ass walkin' out the door.
My beef with McD was not cleaning house a few summers ago like LA,Boston and the Pens did....countless GM's have been fired over the past few years.....most better than SB.
If SB absolutely wastes sixteen million bucks again this summer......who do we blame now?
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Post by tincup on May 14, 2020 12:59:43 GMT -6
If Q and McD were the problems,the team should take right off from here on out.....I'm all F'n giddy! Who was that screaming at then GM Dale Talon in the suite during a '09'PO game? Was it his superior,president John Mcdonough? NO...it was a supposed underling,special assistant Scotty Bowman.....that's who. He either already knew Jr was takin' DT's job in the near future or had absolutely no respect for DT and certainly no fear of being so subordinate and none of being fired. HE HAS ROCKY'S EAR.....he'd never get away with that if he didn't! 'Little Caesar' held enough sway to assure his boy and his staff made their own decisions IMO. If SB and his staff sat back and let a non-hockey guy tell em who to draft,then it's all the more reason to see his useless ass walkin' out the door. My beef with McD was not cleaning house a few summers ago like LA,Boston and the Pens did....countless GM's have been fired over the past few years.....most better than SB. If SB absolutely wastes sixteen million bucks again this summer......who do we blame now? Oh yeah, I remember that scene. Some play by Brian Campbell sent Bowman off the rails. Guess he never liked that signing. |
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Post by BigT on May 14, 2020 14:30:02 GMT -6
If Q and McD were the problems,the team should take right off from here on out.....I'm all F'n giddy! Who was that screaming at then GM Dale Talon in the suite during a '09'PO game? Was it his superior,president John Mcdonough? NO...it was a supposed underling,special assistant Scotty Bowman.....that's who. He either already knew Jr was takin' DT's job in the near future or had absolutely no respect for DT and certainly no fear of being so subordinate and none of being fired. HE HAS ROCKY'S EAR.....he'd never get away with that if he didn't! 'Little Caesar' held enough sway to assure his boy and his staff made their own decisions IMO. If SB and his staff sat back and let a non-hockey guy tell em who to draft,then it's all the more reason to see his useless ass walkin' out the door. My beef with McD was not cleaning house a few summers ago like LA,Boston and the Pens did....countless GM's have been fired over the past few years.....most better than SB. If SB absolutely wastes sixteen million bucks again this summer......who do we blame now? You can blame me, I can handle it. I’m sure Stan will shift the blame anyways, at least I’ll admit to his eff ups!!! |
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Post by Tater on May 15, 2020 1:44:27 GMT -6
Oh yeah, I remember that scene. Some play by Brian Campbell sent Bowman off the rails. Guess he never liked that signing.
Maybe GT can come up with the video of it.
/challenge
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Post by galaxytrash on May 15, 2020 3:08:50 GMT -6
Oh yeah, I remember that scene. Some play by Brian Campbell sent Bowman off the rails. Guess he never liked that signing.
Maybe GT can come up with the video of it.
/challenge
not saying it didn't happen but if there was video of it, i think we'd all have seen it many times by now. and these days i feel challenged enough just finding the bottle opener thank you very much. : ) |
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Post by LordKOTL on May 15, 2020 9:17:02 GMT -6
that's a shit 'stache..... shave that thing off, JC. come on. ...both he and Austin Matthews need to have a seat over there with mustaches like that. |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2020 18:19:46 GMT -6
5 candidates outside of hockey being considered for job of president. Thoughts?
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Post by BigT on May 17, 2020 18:51:26 GMT -6
5 candidates outside of hockey being considered for job of president. Thoughts?
I don’t think any of them are actually candidates. They’re just throwing names out there. However, I don’t think any of them fit the bill here. I really don’t. I think it’s time to get someone with some hockey knowledge. I’m not sure even Edzo is the guy I’d want. Who ever takes over has one hell of a task in firing the Bowman’s. That’s gonna he an epic power battle that I believe has already begun. So I think you almost need a Brian Burke type of guy to lead the way. Hopefully the guy hired knows something about the sport, simply because if a GM is messing up, he needs to be the one to set them straight and not give a vote of confidence to them!!! |
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Post by T-man2010 on May 17, 2020 18:55:17 GMT -6
5 candidates outside of hockey being considered for job of president. Thoughts?
I don’t think any of them are actually candidates. They’re just throwing names out there. However, I don’t think any of them fit the bill here. I really don’t. I think it’s time to get someone with some hockey knowledge. I’m not sure even Edzo is the guy I’d want. Who ever takes over has one hell of a task in firing the Bowman’s. That’s gonna he an epic power battle that I believe has already begun. So I think you almost need a Brian Burke type of guy to lead the way. Hopefully the guy hired knows something about the sport, simply because if a GM is messing up, he needs to be the one to set them straight and not give a vote of confidence to them!!! The answer is the Hunter brothers. |
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Post by BigT on May 17, 2020 21:12:19 GMT -6
I don’t think any of them are actually candidates. They’re just throwing names out there. However, I don’t think any of them fit the bill here. I really don’t. I think it’s time to get someone with some hockey knowledge. I’m not sure even Edzo is the guy I’d want. Who ever takes over has one hell of a task in firing the Bowman’s. That’s gonna he an epic power battle that I believe has already begun. So I think you almost need a Brian Burke type of guy to lead the way. Hopefully the guy hired knows something about the sport, simply because if a GM is messing up, he needs to be the one to set them straight and not give a vote of confidence to them!!! The answer is the Hunter brothers. I still feel that the Hunters won’t be good in the Presidential role. Mark as GM and Vice President of hockey opps. Dale as head coach. I know may don’t think about this, but Mark Hunter is very respected and he knows so many people throughout the hockey world that he gets all his info from watching, and talking to people within the game. And I’m sure he’s a great guy to know too. He probably gives his insight to friends within the hockey circles. He’s a slam dunk candidate for GM to me. He basically built the Leaves, and they’ve been trending downward ever since he’s left. I hope Rocky looks to the future and hires the next dream team. Stan Bowman is not the guy!!! |
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Post by hsbob on May 19, 2020 6:42:09 GMT -6
5 candidates outside of hockey being considered for job of president. Thoughts?
The biggest problem with McD was his "outside of hockey" status as far as I'm concerned. His backround and abilities were making money and keepin' the place full,I believe he continued to do those things...………..his failing came from his IN-ability to spot hockey opps problems that eventually crippled the team. Jay Blunt worked at McD's side,give him the marketing duties and put a HOCKEY man at the top IMO! |
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Post by hsbob on Jun 4, 2020 7:18:39 GMT -6
Does the total lack of chatter around the ongoing search for a team pres. mean much or will the team wait till the season's over to make this decision?
The expanded PO's seem like perfect cover for Rocky and (ACTING?)team Pres Daniel to ride this out but riding it out means the current FO makes this summer's draft,FA and re-signing decisions......how does the current FO NOT continue on after making those decisions?
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Post by LordKOTL on Jun 4, 2020 10:03:36 GMT -6
Does the total lack of chatter around the ongoing search for a team pres. mean much or will the team wait till the season's over to make this decision? The expanded PO's seem like perfect cover for Rocky and (ACTING?)team Pres Daniel to ride this out but riding it out means the current FO makes this summer's draft,FA and re-signing decisions......how does the current FO NOT continue on after making those decisions? My best guess is that the Rocky is waiting to see how the 'hawks do in the qualifying/playoffs. I think that if the 'hawks do well, Stan gets a pass. I think if they get bounced in resounding fashion, he's gone before the draft. |
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Post by nighbor on Jun 4, 2020 16:12:06 GMT -6
Does the total lack of chatter around the ongoing search for a team pres. mean much or will the team wait till the season's over to make this decision? The expanded PO's seem like perfect cover for Rocky and (ACTING?)team Pres Daniel to ride this out but riding it out means the current FO makes this summer's draft,FA and re-signing decisions......how does the current FO NOT continue on after making those decisions? My best guess is that the Rocky is waiting to see how the 'hawks do in the qualifying/playoffs. I think that if the 'hawks do well, Stan gets a pass. I think if they get bounced in resounding fashion, he's gone before the draft. The draft is near the end of June and the playoffs do not start until I believe July 10. There is no need to rush into signing another president as next season doesn't start until late this year maybe even January 2021. |
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Post by vadarx on Jun 4, 2020 17:57:54 GMT -6
My best guess is that the Rocky is waiting to see how the 'hawks do in the qualifying/playoffs. I think that if the 'hawks do well, Stan gets a pass. I think if they get bounced in resounding fashion, he's gone before the draft. The draft is near the end of June and the playoffs do not start until I believe July 10. There is no need to rush into signing another president as next season doesn't start until late this year maybe even January 2021. I believe the draft is now taking place after the season is completed. |
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Post by nighbor on Jun 5, 2020 8:35:19 GMT -6
The draft is near the end of June and the playoffs do not start until I believe July 10. There is no need to rush into signing another president as next season doesn't start until late this year maybe even January 2021. I believe the draft is now taking place after the season is completed. The draft lottery is scheduled for late June and will be in two parts except if Detroit and Ottawa end up with the top three picks. Teams like Chicago who are in the preliminary round will be represented by placeholders and could still possibly win the lottery. Of course we would then have to lose to Edmonton. |
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Post by doogiew on Jun 5, 2020 9:20:56 GMT -6
I believe the draft is now taking place after the season is completed. The draft lottery is scheduled for late June and will be in two parts except if Detroit and Ottawa end up with the top three picks. Teams like Chicago who are in the preliminary round will be represented by placeholders and could still possibly win the lottery. Of course we would then have to lose to Edmonton. I think losing to Edmonton will be the easy part if Smith comes up big. There is just a whole lot of fire power in McDavid and Draisaitl. Although the Hawks beat them twice in the regular season. The Hawks defense is to inexperienced and simply porous. |
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Post by vadarx on Jun 5, 2020 17:06:34 GMT -6
I believe the draft is now taking place after the season is completed. The draft lottery is scheduled for late June and will be in two parts except if Detroit and Ottawa end up with the top three picks. Teams like Chicago who are in the preliminary round will be represented by placeholders and could still possibly win the lottery. Of course we would then have to lose to Edmonton. this is correct, that is when the lottery is. the actual draft will not take place until a later date. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Jun 9, 2020 13:06:00 GMT -6
The draft lottery is scheduled for late June and will be in two parts except if Detroit and Ottawa end up with the top three picks. Teams like Chicago who are in the preliminary round will be represented by placeholders and could still possibly win the lottery. Of course we would then have to lose to Edmonton. I think losing to Edmonton will be the easy part if Smith comes up big. There is just a whole lot of fire power in McDavid and Draisaitl. Although the Hawks beat them twice in the regular season. The Hawks defense is to inexperienced and simply porous. That's a big "if" Mike "Greg Luganis" Smith's numbers have been worse than Crawford's in every single year since his 2012 run. In the past 2 seasons he's been more like Cam Ward. Granted, anyone can go hot or cold at any time, but I think there's a better chance on pure stats alone that Crawford comes up big than Smith--and I'd think/hope Crawford's looking for some 2012 redemption. I think the 'hawks either take this one off of the entirety of the core looking for redemption for the 2017 embarrassment, Crawford for the 2012 redemption against Smith, and some of the other guys like Kubalik looking for their payday. Either that or they feel they got nothing left to prove and we're embarrassed again like against Nashville. I'd prefer the former. |
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Post by doogiew on Jun 9, 2020 13:27:38 GMT -6
I think losing to Edmonton will be the easy part if Smith comes up big. There is just a whole lot of fire power in McDavid and Draisaitl. Although the Hawks beat them twice in the regular season. The Hawks defense is to inexperienced and simply porous. That's a big "if" Mike "Greg Luganis" Smith's numbers have been worse than Crawford's in every single year since his 2012 run. In the past 2 seasons he's been more like Cam Ward. Granted, anyone can go hot or cold at any time, but I think there's a better chance on pure stats alone that Crawford comes up big than Smith--and I'd think/hope Crawford's looking for some 2012 redemption. I think the 'hawks either take this one off of the entirety of the core looking for redemption for the 2017 embarrassment, Crawford for the 2012 redemption against Smith, and some of the other guys like Kubalik looking for their payday. Either that or they feel they got nothing left to prove and we're embarrassed again like against Nashville. I'd prefer the former. I'm really not concerned about Crow he usually pulls more than his weight. It's going to take a total team defensive effort to win. It's only three games they need to win first round. Like I said earlier the Hawks defense will be the difference. A lot of the D will be ready to go so at least they'll have all the big guns. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Jun 10, 2020 8:38:23 GMT -6
That's a big "if" Mike "Greg Luganis" Smith's numbers have been worse than Crawford's in every single year since his 2012 run. In the past 2 seasons he's been more like Cam Ward. Granted, anyone can go hot or cold at any time, but I think there's a better chance on pure stats alone that Crawford comes up big than Smith--and I'd think/hope Crawford's looking for some 2012 redemption. I think the 'hawks either take this one off of the entirety of the core looking for redemption for the 2017 embarrassment, Crawford for the 2012 redemption against Smith, and some of the other guys like Kubalik looking for their payday. Either that or they feel they got nothing left to prove and we're embarrassed again like against Nashville. I'd prefer the former. I'm really not concerned about Crow he usually pulls more than his weight. It's going to take a total team defensive effort to win. It's only three games they need to win first round. Like I said earlier the Hawks defense will be the difference. A lot of the D will be ready to go so at least they'll have all the big guns. Truth be told I'm not either but it's possible he can come in rusty/cold. But that being said, I agree: The entire team has to be ON when it comes to D. That doesn't mean that Toews & Keith have to carry 16 carcasses on D to give Crawford just enough of an edge to give Kane & Kubalik an edge in scoring. What it means is that everyone has to play smart and not overplay their ability when it comes to the backend. I think everyone will be, and should be highly scrutinized on that. I think someone mentioned coaching. I think that will also be a factor. JC could be so far out of his depth he'll need water wings. I think he can try to over-meddle and kill the team. |
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Post by hsbob on Jun 12, 2020 8:12:31 GMT -6
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Post by BigT on Jun 12, 2020 8:54:53 GMT -6
I agree, Kane made it sound more personable. While Stan made it sound like he really wanted the door to hit him on the way out. We’ll see soon enough. I’m not sold that McD was as the problem, maybe not the perfect guy for the job, but he wasn’t the main problem. I still have to believe that Stan is the architect and he plus Scotty decided to go in this horrendous direction. It’s like Stan is trying so hard to change the game, that he’s lost all focus on what wins. Every move he makes is another step in the wrong direction. I don’t see how this works out. Pitt and Boston made wholesale changes and they’re back on top. I feel the same can be done here very quickly. Just need a fresh set of eyes. Holland would have been great here. He turned the Oilers around in a half hour!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Jun 12, 2020 9:07:04 GMT -6
I agree, Kane made it sound more personable. While Stan made it sound like he really wanted the door to hit him on the way out. We’ll see soon enough. I’m not sold that McD was as the problem, maybe not the perfect guy for the job, but he wasn’t the main problem. I still have to believe that Stan is the architect and he plus Scotty decided to go in this horrendous direction. It’s like Stan is trying so hard to change the game, that he’s lost all focus on what wins. Every move he makes is another step in the wrong direction. I don’t see how this works out. Pitt and Boston made wholesale changes and they’re back on top. I feel the same can be done here very quickly. Just need a fresh set of eyes. Holland would have been great here. He turned the Oilers around in a half hour!!! None of us really know how much influence McD had on personnel decisions or style of play but I'm sure any team's president has some,I'd have to think McD's job of keeping the place full even though the team's in last place took most of his time. I doubt it was McD fillin' out a lineup card with Sikura on the top line for a 1/4 season last year,SB was also quoted as being the genius who coveted Nolander. |
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Post by BigT on Jun 12, 2020 13:59:00 GMT -6
I agree, Kane made it sound more personable. While Stan made it sound like he really wanted the door to hit him on the way out. We’ll see soon enough. I’m not sold that McD was as the problem, maybe not the perfect guy for the job, but he wasn’t the main problem. I still have to believe that Stan is the architect and he plus Scotty decided to go in this horrendous direction. It’s like Stan is trying so hard to change the game, that he’s lost all focus on what wins. Every move he makes is another step in the wrong direction. I don’t see how this works out. Pitt and Boston made wholesale changes and they’re back on top. I feel the same can be done here very quickly. Just need a fresh set of eyes. Holland would have been great here. He turned the Oilers around in a half hour!!! None of us really know how much influence McD had on personnel decisions or style of play but I'm sure any team's president has some,I'd have to think McD's job of keeping the place full even though the team's in last place took most of his time. I doubt it was McD fillin' out a lineup card with Sikura on the top line for a 1/4 season last year,SB was also quoted as being the genius who coveted Nolander. You’re probably right. I’ve learnt that the easiest answer is usually the right answer. If it was all Stan, have to think he never should a been in that position to begin with. I don’t understand why someone would stray so far away from a winning culture? Why change the blueprint? You posted that video of the 2010 Hawks talking about that team. Buff had the best quote. “Everyone but Kaner gave 100%”. But then he seriously said “that team could play any type of game, rough, skilled, speed”. Now I know those types of players aren’t the easiest to find, but why not “groom” kids to be the next Buff, or Bickell or Bolland etc. I’m quite sure all you need to be Bolland was a class in assholery. We had the teachers there to set the next wave, yet they ran in the opposite direction!!! |
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Post by vadarx on Jun 12, 2020 16:35:12 GMT -6
sounds to me like Stan is just thanking McD for preparing him to take his (McD's) job... |
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Post by BigT on Jun 12, 2020 19:08:16 GMT -6
sounds to me like Stan is just thanking McD for preparing him to take his (McD's) job... Kinda like when Homer rooked Burns out of the power plant. And Burns said “So..... I see the caterpillar has finally emerged from its cocoon. But as a Shark.... and with a gun for a mouth”!!! |
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Post by vadarx on Jun 12, 2020 20:17:40 GMT -6
sounds to me like Stan is just thanking McD for preparing him to take his (McD's) job... Kinda like when Homer rooked Burns out of the power plant. And Burns said “So..... I see the caterpillar has finally emerged from its cocoon. But as a Shark.... and with a gun for a mouth”!!! |
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