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Post by BigT on Jul 11, 2020 9:48:24 GMT -6
I’m pissed. They’ve got all they need, and another pick probably only muddies up their core and finances. The Hawks have massive holes throughout their lineup. If JC is playing kids, we get swept. If he played the vets to no end, we win a game, and the ice time will kill the older players. It’s like he’ll run a 2 line team. Also, his balanced attack bullsht, will get this team embarrassed. With the Oil having home ice for the first 2, Tippet will get McDavids like out against a stupid makeshift 3rd or 4th like and we’ll get slaughtered. Watch how much better Tippet is than JC!!! After re-watching all 48 cup wins recently,I was reminded what 'chees matches' all of em were and how Q 'check mated' HC after HC......I'm still surprised BB didn't have a stroke! I'm not pickin' the Hawks to win but I see em with a better chance than you do. The Oil have little offensive depth themselves,the Hawks had some success shutting down their best a few times this year,Crawford could be a real wildcard and is better than what they got and.........KANE & TOEWS! Your point about coaching and matchups is well taken though,if JC looks totally out of his league,the 'lucky sperm club', 'Prince Danial and spawn of Scotty'...LOL will point their fingers at the coach and you can bet on that. I still put Kane,Toews and Kubalik out there and scare the shit out of em! Dave Tippet has done a great job,both special teams in the top 5 is impressive and come to think about it......will be hard to overcome. Hamonic and Baertschi have opted out. If McDavid opts out, we got a solid shot. I think many more will opt out, so things could change very quickly. Even for us. On the thought that both teams have all their guys are present. I don’t see how JC changes his mind. I really think he’s missing an important chromosome that helps the brain coach. I see him doing exactly what he did when the season failed. I actually gave him credit for letting the team run and gun and like you said, “scaring the hell out of them”. Plus our man to man zone thingy he’s trying to get away with..... he isn’t. So I see far too many holes for the team to excel. I would agree with you on many levels if we had a guy like Tippet, or someone who’s had success.... maybe even Q! But we don’t, and we don’t have much to go on here. I see this as a fight between a gator and a wombat..... in water. Don’t think it ends well!!! |
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Post by nighbor on Jul 11, 2020 13:11:39 GMT -6
If you're the OIL,are ya pissed off that you have to 'play into' a PO's that you were already in or are you ecstatic to have a 12.5% shot at the 'Wunderkind' if you lose? I’m pissed. They’ve got all they need, and another pick probably only muddies up their core and finances. The Hawks have massive holes throughout their lineup. If JC is playing kids, we get swept. If he played the vets to no end, we win a game, and the ice time will kill the older players. It’s like he’ll run a 2 line team. Also, his balanced attack bullsht, will get this team embarrassed. With the Oil having home ice for the first 2, Tippet will get McDavids like out against a stupid makeshift 3rd or 4th like and we’ll get slaughtered. Watch how much better Tippet is than JC!!! JC is going to own Tippet. He is going to out coach Tippet so bad that we are going to lose the series to improve our chances of drafting in the top 10 throughout the entire draft and or maybe even first overall.
As far as the balanced attack bullsht isn't that why Q did not always play Toews and Kane throughout his tenure with the Blackhawks. If AA Kane and Panarin were so good together just imagine if Toews and his superior faceoff % replaced AA. O yes no balanced attack.
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Post by hsbob on Jul 11, 2020 16:43:29 GMT -6
After re-watching all 48 cup wins recently,I was reminded what 'chees matches' all of em were and how Q 'check mated' HC after HC......I'm still surprised BB didn't have a stroke! I'm not pickin' the Hawks to win but I see em with a better chance than you do. The Oil have little offensive depth themselves,the Hawks had some success shutting down their best a few times this year,Crawford could be a real wildcard and is better than what they got and.........KANE & TOEWS! Your point about coaching and matchups is well taken though,if JC looks totally out of his league,the 'lucky sperm club', 'Prince Danial and spawn of Scotty'...LOL will point their fingers at the coach and you can bet on that. I still put Kane,Toews and Kubalik out there and scare the shit out of em! Dave Tippet has done a great job,both special teams in the top 5 is impressive and come to think about it......will be hard to overcome. Hamonic and Baertschi have opted out. If McDavid opts out, we got a solid shot. I think many more will opt out, so things could change very quickly. Even for us. On the thought that both teams have all their guys are present. I don’t see how JC changes his mind. I really think he’s missing an important chromosome that helps the brain coach. I see him doing exactly what he did when the season failed. I actually gave him credit for letting the team run and gun and like you said, “scaring the hell out of them”. Plus our man to man zone thingy he’s trying to get away with..... he isn’t. So I see far too many holes for the team to excel. I would agree with you on many levels if we had a guy like Tippet, or someone who’s had success.... maybe even Q! But we don’t, and we don’t have much to go on here. I see this as a fight between a gator and a wombat..... in water. Don’t think it ends well!!! JC walked into a terrible situation,no experience behind a NHL bench,replacing a LEGEND and the Org's biggest crony lookin' over his shoulder,when you consider how bad that roster was......the team played well for him for a good stretch but like many young coaches in many sports,he couldn't stand prosperity. JC was the guy who had the K&T and D&S combos together for careers years for all four that season and yet he was the guy to go away from it to start the next? All JC needed to do was improve the bottom six if he leaves those four forwards together and since SB brought in Nolander,Smith,Shaw and Carpenter the bottom six shoulda been okay but it wasn't witnessed by a large offensive team-wide drop off......even with Kubalik. |
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Post by hsbob on Jul 11, 2020 16:52:46 GMT -6
I’m pissed. They’ve got all they need, and another pick probably only muddies up their core and finances. The Hawks have massive holes throughout their lineup. If JC is playing kids, we get swept. If he played the vets to no end, we win a game, and the ice time will kill the older players. It’s like he’ll run a 2 line team. Also, his balanced attack bullsht, will get this team embarrassed. With the Oil having home ice for the first 2, Tippet will get McDavids like out against a stupid makeshift 3rd or 4th like and we’ll get slaughtered. Watch how much better Tippet is than JC!!! JC is going to own Tippet. He is going to out coach Tippet so bad that we are going to lose the series to improve our chances of drafting in the top 10 throughout the entire draft and or maybe even first overall.
As far as the balanced attack bullsht isn't that why Q did not always play Toews and Kane throughout his tenure with the Blackhawks. If AA Kane and Panarin were so good together just imagine if Toews and his superior faceoff % replaced AA. O yes no balanced attack.
Kane and Toews didn't spend regular seasons together for a few reasons..... Either makes a line better They've both had great seasons apart They didn't have to due to having other elite forwards like Hossa and Sharp but that's the regular season. We saw a bunch of Kane,Toews and Buff in the '10' PO's and Kane,Toews,Bickell in '13',we saw Toews,Hossa,Saad in '15' cause they were money! No one's saying we need our best two players on one line but I do believe good teams play their top six forwards IN the top six. Thanks for reminding me of the folly of the AA trade. |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 11, 2020 17:31:09 GMT -6
Kane and Toews didn't play together under Q except during the playoffs a couple times after the 2010 run because Q realized he could put Toews and Hossa together instead and put them against the opposing team's top line while Kane's line played against their 3rd line. smart thinking there.
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 11, 2020 18:43:54 GMT -6
Hamonic and Baertschi have opted out. If McDavid opts out, we got a solid shot. I think many more will opt out, so things could change very quickly. along with hamonic and baertchi, oiler's mike green, zack trotman from the pens and the bruin's steven kampfer have decided not to play. baertchi isn't sure there's a spot for him in vancouver and kampfer's wife and young son have congenital heart defects. and if mcdavid opts out, i'll live under a bridge in windsor and wash your truck twice a week for a year for free. : ) |
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Post by BigT on Jul 11, 2020 19:04:55 GMT -6
Hamonic and Baertschi have opted out. If McDavid opts out, we got a solid shot. I think many more will opt out, so things could change very quickly. along with hamonic and baertchi, oiler's mike green, zack trotman from the pens and the bruin's steven kampfer have decided not to play. baertchi isn't sure there's a spot for him in vancouver and kampfer's wife and young son have congenital heart defects. and if mcdavid opts out, i'll live under a bridge in windsor and wash your truck twice a week for a year for free. : ) I’m not gonna lie, my truck needs a much better bath than the torrential downpour we had last night! Do you do the inside too??? |
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Post by BigT on Jul 11, 2020 19:06:51 GMT -6
Also, I wonder if Anton Stralman is going to opt out? He said many times he wasn’t interested in playing due to having asthma!!!
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 11, 2020 19:19:13 GMT -6
Also, I wonder if Anton Stralman is going to opt out? He said many times he wasn’t interested in playing due to having asthma!!! idk, but you can add montreal's karl alzner to the list. not sure of his situation but he's only played 4 games this season and just 9 last season. edit: |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 11, 2020 19:20:11 GMT -6
along with hamonic and baertchi, oiler's mike green, zack trotman from the pens and the bruin's steven kampfer have decided not to play. baertchi isn't sure there's a spot for him in vancouver and kampfer's wife and young son have congenital heart defects. and if mcdavid opts out, i'll live under a bridge in windsor and wash your truck twice a week for a year for free. : ) I’m not gonna lie, my truck needs a much better bath than the torrential downpour we had last night! Do you do the inside too???i will if i can sleep there. : ) |
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Post by Tater on Jul 11, 2020 23:47:48 GMT -6
i will if i can sleep there. : ) I would recommend throwing down a tarp over the interior.  |
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Post by BigT on Jul 12, 2020 13:31:57 GMT -6
Also, I wonder if Anton Stralman is going to opt out? He said many times he wasn’t interested in playing due to having asthma!!! idk, but you can add montreal's karl alzner to the list. not sure of his situation but he's only played 4 games this season and just 9 last season. edit: I just read an article about Max Domi. Sounds like due to his diabetic condition he is out. They’re waiting another 10 days to see how many cases are floating around. But I don’t blame Domi or the Canadiens here for keeping him away!!! |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 12, 2020 19:38:49 GMT -6
idk, but you can add montreal's karl alzner to the list. not sure of his situation but he's only played 4 games this season and just 9 last season. edit: I just read an article about Max Domi. Sounds like due to his diabetic condition he is out. They’re waiting another 10 days to see how many cases are floating around. But I don’t blame Domi or the Canadiens here for keeping him away!!! not looking good for domi. (or the rest of the league for that matter) |
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Post by BigT on Jul 12, 2020 21:57:14 GMT -6
The amount of positive tests is very concerning. I’d think Domi is 100% out now. I fear this thing is all but over. I wonder how many more will back out of this? I can’t blame them. Imagine winning the Cup and your parents are there, you hug them and embrace them only to find out you ended up positive earlier in the day due to all the people coming and going, then one of your parents fall deathly ill to this thing. Or your child, wife etc. It seems like a lot is at stake here. Look at the state of Florida now, 15380+ cases the other day, and the deaths are starting to add up there too.
I’d love to see some NHL hockey, but not like this!!!
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 12, 2020 22:22:53 GMT -6
The amount of positive tests is very concerning. I’d think Domi is 100% out now. I fear this thing is all but over. I wonder how many more will back out of this? I can’t blame them. Imagine winning the Cup and your parents are there, you hug them and embrace them only to find out you ended up positive earlier in the day due to all the people coming and going, then one of your parents fall deathly ill to this thing. Or your child, wife etc. It seems like a lot is at stake here. Look at the state of Florida now, 15380+ cases the other day, and the deaths are starting to add up there too. I’d love to see some NHL hockey, but not like this!!! the deadline is in 17 hours if my math is correct. and as far as players passing this on to their loved ones, i'm of the opinion that the players are less likely to pass on a virus than the average joe on the street. florida is a mess but the entire country of canada reported only 221 cases yesterday so i think (and hope) that you're overplaying the danger as long as the league is as stringent as they say they are going to be and the teams commit to staying in their bubbles. hopefully not many more players back out and the talent levels stay basically untainted. |
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Post by BigT on Jul 13, 2020 6:11:25 GMT -6
The amount of positive tests is very concerning. I’d think Domi is 100% out now. I fear this thing is all but over. I wonder how many more will back out of this? I can’t blame them. Imagine winning the Cup and your parents are there, you hug them and embrace them only to find out you ended up positive earlier in the day due to all the people coming and going, then one of your parents fall deathly ill to this thing. Or your child, wife etc. It seems like a lot is at stake here. Look at the state of Florida now, 15380+ cases the other day, and the deaths are starting to add up there too. I’d love to see some NHL hockey, but not like this!!! the deadline is in 17 hours if my math is correct. and as far as players passing this on to their loved ones, i'm of the opinion that the players are less likely to pass on a virus than the average joe on the street. florida is a mess but the entire country of canada reported only 221 cases yesterday so i think (and hope) that you're overplaying the danger as long as the league is as stringent as they say they are going to be and the teams commit to staying in their bubbles. hopefully not many more players back out and the talent levels stay basically untainted. Knowing how hockey players are. I could see them finding a loop hole in the bubble and sneaking out to a bar. I know not many have it right now they say, but it could go the other way in hurry. It’s very very tough to contain In this world economy. I think the players are getting it now cuz they’re going out partying, and probably states side. I’d hate to see this thing get under way only to have to postpone it or stop it all together. I think that would be embarrassing for the league and potentially hurtful. I’d like to see a week without a player getting this, then it would feel better!!! |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 13, 2020 8:17:05 GMT -6
the deadline is in 17 hours if my math is correct. and as far as players passing this on to their loved ones, i'm of the opinion that the players are less likely to pass on a virus than the average joe on the street. florida is a mess but the entire country of canada reported only 221 cases yesterday so i think (and hope) that you're overplaying the danger as long as the league is as stringent as they say they are going to be and the teams commit to staying in their bubbles. hopefully not many more players back out and the talent levels stay basically untainted. Knowing how hockey players are. I could see them finding a loop hole in the bubble and sneaking out to a bar. i can't see this as a case of "boys will be boys." nhl players might get away with "sneaking out" in florida or arizona but in toronto or edmonton they wouldn't make it 5 steps outside the lobby. and remember....the league has made it abundantly clear that this is serious shit and violators (and their teams) will be punished and punished hard, in fact it possibly could cost a player their career if they're that dumb. |
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Post by hsbob on Jul 13, 2020 8:23:41 GMT -6
the deadline is in 17 hours if my math is correct. and as far as players passing this on to their loved ones, i'm of the opinion that the players are less likely to pass on a virus than the average joe on the street. florida is a mess but the entire country of canada reported only 221 cases yesterday so i think (and hope) that you're overplaying the danger as long as the league is as stringent as they say they are going to be and the teams commit to staying in their bubbles. hopefully not many more players back out and the talent levels stay basically untainted. Knowing how hockey players are. I could see them finding a loop hole in the bubble and sneaking out to a bar. I know not many have it right now they say, but it could go the other way in hurry. It’s very very tough to contain In this world economy. I think the players are getting it now cuz they’re going out partying, and probably states side. I’d hate to see this thing get under way only to have to postpone it or stop it all together. I think that would be embarrassing for the league and potentially hurtful. I’d like to see a week without a player getting this, then it would feel better!!! I highly doubt players are breaking protocols at this late point and bars in Il are outside only anyway as are most states or 50% occupancy if indoor. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 13, 2020 8:40:19 GMT -6
no gilbert.
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Post by hsbob on Jul 13, 2020 8:54:49 GMT -6
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 13, 2020 8:55:01 GMT -6
The nine players will not participate until they are deemed safe in accordance with NHL protocol and further test results.
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Post by hsbob on Jul 13, 2020 9:33:29 GMT -6
No Shaw,No Smith for 7.4M.....thanks SB! No Gilbet either means the 170lb Drake Caggiula will have to handle the heavy lifting single handedly.....keep the quiet room disinfected! Several career AHL forwards on that roster but no 23yro,speedy Fortin?
This team got 'Prince Daniel' instead of the house cleaning it so desperately needed!
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Post by vadarx on Jul 13, 2020 10:27:15 GMT -6
No Shaw,No Smith for 7.4M.....thanks SB! No Gilbet either means the 170lb Drake Caggiula will have to handle the heavy lifting single handedly.....keep the quiet room disinfected! Several career AHL forwards on that roster but no 23yro,speedy Fortin? This team got 'Prince Daniel' instead of the house cleaning it so desperately needed! I think the house cleaning is coming should they lose to the Oil. just not the house cleaning we were hoping for..... |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 13, 2020 17:28:15 GMT -6
quick heads up...all posts concerning the hawks name/logo have been moved to their own topic.
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Post by hsbob on Jul 13, 2020 18:47:38 GMT -6
No Shaw,No Smith for 7.4M.....thanks SB! No Gilbet either means the 170lb Drake Caggiula will have to handle the heavy lifting single handedly.....keep the quiet room disinfected! Several career AHL forwards on that roster but no 23yro,speedy Fortin? This team got 'Prince Daniel' instead of the house cleaning it so desperately needed! I think the house cleaning is coming should they lose to the Oil. just not the house cleaning we were hoping for..... Not sure what house cleaning you're referring to unless it's the 'Lucky sperm club' convincing Rocky that it's all JC's fault when the flop happens. |
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Post by BigT on Jul 13, 2020 20:47:20 GMT -6
I think the house cleaning is coming should they lose to the Oil. just not the house cleaning we were hoping for..... Not sure what house cleaning you're referring to unless it's the 'Lucky sperm club' convincing Rocky that it's all JC's fault when the flop happens. Remember that article (I believe you posted) about Stan saying that he will have a lot of tough roster decisions or I believe he may have said “roster reconstruction”. I think that’s what Vader is referencing. I could be wrong though, as my ESP machine is down for the night!!! |
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Post by BigT on Jul 13, 2020 20:51:47 GMT -6
I think this is gonna be an atrocious display of man hood by the Hawks. This team just isn’t built for any type of playoff. Maybe Stan wants to rebuild this team his way? And he’s been purposely tanking the roster? I really can’t think of any other reason not to put forth any toughness or any size on this roster? If this is clearly his path, he has to be destroyed. This is not the way to victory. He doesn’t even talk to his dynamic duo about what they’d like to see, while every other GM does this!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Jul 14, 2020 9:05:25 GMT -6
I think this is gonna be an atrocious display of man hood by the Hawks. This team just isn’t built for any type of playoff. Maybe Stan wants to rebuild this team his way? And he’s been purposely tanking the roster? I really can’t think of any other reason not to put forth any toughness or any size on this roster? If this is clearly his path, he has to be destroyed. This is not the way to victory. He doesn’t even talk to his dynamic duo about what they’d like to see, while every other GM does this!!! The one thing about the chicken or the egg debate we used to have about the team's lack of push back and pack mentality is this.....we can now take Q out of the equation....right? The team wasn't very physical Q's last year or two either but that'll happen when you move Shaw and every other guy who'd play physical. Seabs used to play a rougher style but hasn't as much the last few years,if it isn't required and you've had a concussion or two.....why do it? Murphy was a much feistier player with the Yotes too but not so much here.....why would that be? I have no doubt that Caggiula will throw his fearless,170lbs around but we saw how that ended up the last two years. Other than that,JT might stick up for himself due to the frustration of having no protection but there's nothing in this area on the current roster unless I'm missing someone and Seeler won't play. |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 14, 2020 13:45:53 GMT -6
I think the house cleaning is coming should they lose to the Oil. just not the house cleaning we were hoping for..... Not sure what house cleaning you're referring to unless it's the 'Lucky sperm club' convincing Rocky that it's all JC's fault when the flop happens. the one that involves moving out Blackhawks Legends so Stan can build "his" team. |
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Post by hsbob on Jul 14, 2020 17:26:36 GMT -6
Not sure what house cleaning you're referring to unless it's the 'Lucky sperm club' convincing Rocky that it's all JC's fault when the flop happens. the one that involves moving out Blackhawks Legends so Stan can build "his" team. I thought you got the heave-ho! LOL! |
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