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Post by OldTimeHawky on Oct 11, 2020 13:09:26 GMT -6
Delia is 26 as well and Lankinen is 25, I'm sure one of the 3 will step up. All 3 have been around long enough and this is the break they've been looking for. Also Namilov is 26 and the Hawks traded for a big Russian dman 🤔 maybe he steps up. As for Crawford, if he really wanted to stay he would've signed that 1yr offer. One more year and only 400k more to sign with the Devils makes no sense. He can say he's devastated but he made 36 million over 6yrs here and he's in his mid 30s. I really appreciate what he did in Chicago but I'm ok moving on seeing what these 3...or 4 goalies can do. not really understanding the Crawford hate here. he was devastated because he thought there was an ongoing negotiation and Bowman called him and said "nah, nevermind". I understand moving on from him and all. if he wanted too much money, then fine, move on. judging by his contract in NJ, he didn't. if they didn't want to do more than one year, fine. that should've been pretty easy to state right off the bat. clearly they did not, otherwise Crawford wouldn't have said what he did and the reactions to the move wouldn't be so strong. it is what it is now. I dont think going into next season without at least one proven 'tender is a good plan, but i guess we will see how it goes. hopefully the 3 (or 4, as you mentioned Namilov) man competition will bring out the best in one of them, but I'm not going to hold my breath. Definitely no hate for Crow from me, I greatly appreciate what he did in Chicago. I'm just saying if he really wanted to stay 400k shouldn't be a big issue or 1 extra year, especially considering he was over paid for a few years on his 6yr deal. I hope he plays great in NJ and stays healthy. |
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Post by vadarx on Oct 11, 2020 14:35:57 GMT -6
not really understanding the Crawford hate here. he was devastated because he thought there was an ongoing negotiation and Bowman called him and said "nah, nevermind". I understand moving on from him and all. if he wanted too much money, then fine, move on. judging by his contract in NJ, he didn't. if they didn't want to do more than one year, fine. that should've been pretty easy to state right off the bat. clearly they did not, otherwise Crawford wouldn't have said what he did and the reactions to the move wouldn't be so strong. it is what it is now. I dont think going into next season without at least one proven 'tender is a good plan, but i guess we will see how it goes. hopefully the 3 (or 4, as you mentioned Namilov) man competition will bring out the best in one of them, but I'm not going to hold my breath. Definitely no hate for Crow from me, I greatly appreciate what he did in Chicago. I'm just saying if he really wanted to stay 400k shouldn't be a big issue or 1 extra year, especially considering he was over paid for a few years on his 6yr deal. I hope he plays great in NJ and stays healthy. i hear ya. I hope the same. I just think this is less of a negotiating issue and more of a lack of proper communication by Bowman issue. edit: not gonna lie, I totally missed the overpaid part until Bob bolded it. DEFINITELY disagree with that. |
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Post by hsbob on Oct 11, 2020 17:22:42 GMT -6
not really understanding the Crawford hate here. he was devastated because he thought there was an ongoing negotiation and Bowman called him and said "nah, nevermind". I understand moving on from him and all. if he wanted too much money, then fine, move on. judging by his contract in NJ, he didn't. if they didn't want to do more than one year, fine. that should've been pretty easy to state right off the bat. clearly they did not, otherwise Crawford wouldn't have said what he did and the reactions to the move wouldn't be so strong. it is what it is now. I dont think going into next season without at least one proven 'tender is a good plan, but i guess we will see how it goes. hopefully the 3 (or 4, as you mentioned Namilov) man competition will bring out the best in one of them, but I'm not going to hold my breath. Definitely no hate for Crow from me, I greatly appreciate what he did in Chicago. I'm just saying if he really wanted to stay 400k shouldn't be a big issue or 1 extra year, especially considering he was over paid for a few years on his 6yr deal. I hope he plays great in NJ and stays healthy. The two bolded parts contradict one another. His numbers stayed good for a GT who faced that much rubber and physical abuse. Thanks,you were pretty good and all but don't let the door hit ya in the ass ain't a good look but it's in the franchise DNA. Team's gettin' hard to follow. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2020 17:52:32 GMT -6
Definitely no hate for Crow from me, I greatly appreciate what he did in Chicago. I'm just saying if he really wanted to stay 400k shouldn't be a big issue or 1 extra year, especially considering he was over paid for a few years on his 6yr deal. I hope he plays great in NJ and stays healthy. The two bolded parts contradict one another. His numbers stayed good for a GT who faced that much rubber and physical abuse. Thanks,you were pretty good and all but don't let the door hit ya in the ass ain't a good look but it's in the franchise DNA. Team's gettin' hard to follow. This may be taking the form of how the Hawks treated Hull and Mikita, alienating them for decades before bringing them back as ambassadors. |
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Post by hsbob on Oct 12, 2020 11:25:20 GMT -6
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Post by squishy24 on Oct 13, 2020 7:59:59 GMT -6
Vegas just signed Pietrangelo and need to shed 7m of capspace (Fleury). Can the Hawks fit a 7m caphit? Offer the capspace for Fleury and a 1st rounder as a sweetener
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Post by nighbor on Oct 13, 2020 8:19:32 GMT -6
Vegas just signed Pietrangelo and need to shed 7m of capspace (Fleury). Can the Hawks fit a 7m caphit? Offer the capspace for Fleury and a 1st rounder as a sweetener Lehner has undergone shoulder surgery and Vegas is not going to trade Fleury. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Oct 13, 2020 9:01:31 GMT -6
Vegas just signed Pietrangelo and need to shed 7m of capspace (Fleury). Can the Hawks fit a 7m caphit? Offer the capspace for Fleury and a 1st rounder as a sweetener On one hand, that would solve the "throwing 2 rookies and a tweener goalie to the wolves without a vet presence" problem. On the other hand, if Stan wants to "go younger in net", that would be counter productive especially with the signing of Subban. Either Subban sits in the A, or both Delia and Lankinen have another year in the A and we're effectively recreating Vegas' experiment of running MAF+Subban, but not only with a far-less capable team but also with the logjam at D we won't see the younger D-men we want to see...barring more moves. |
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Post by hsbob on Oct 13, 2020 9:13:01 GMT -6
Vegas just signed Pietrangelo and need to shed 7m of capspace (Fleury). Can the Hawks fit a 7m caphit? Offer the capspace for Fleury and a 1st rounder as a sweetener 21 players signed and only 900K over.......surprised the hell outta me too. |
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Post by hsbob on Oct 13, 2020 9:47:31 GMT -6
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Post by vadarx on Oct 13, 2020 11:00:27 GMT -6
imagine if Sharpie would've slapped that damn puck in early in OT in game 7 in Vancouver...... it could've been even better! |
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Post by hawkfaninpdx on Oct 13, 2020 12:44:23 GMT -6
imagine if Sharpie would've slapped that damn puck in early in OT in game 7 in Vancouver...... it could've been even better! Oh, that chance is still vivid in front of my eyes! First minute of OT; Hawks are on the power play...Lou made a good save on Sharpie. The one time that Lou didn't choke! |
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Post by vadarx on Oct 13, 2020 13:27:10 GMT -6
imagine if Sharpie would've slapped that damn puck in early in OT in game 7 in Vancouver...... it could've been even better! Oh, that chance is still vivid in front of my eyes! First minute of OT; Hawks are on the power play...Lou made a good save on Sharpie. The one time that Lou didn't choke! he had room! Bobby Lou basically just got lucky he got over enough that Sharp shot it into him, iirc. o, what could've been! |
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Post by hawkfaninpdx on Oct 13, 2020 15:58:07 GMT -6
Oh, that chance is still vivid in front of my eyes! First minute of OT; Hawks are on the power play...Lou made a good save on Sharpie. The one time that Lou didn't choke! he had room! Bobby Lou basically just got lucky he got over enough that Sharp shot it into him, iirc. o, what could've been! He had beaucoup room! youtu.be/028absgGUms?t=6751It was a great setup by Toews, too! |
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Post by acesandeights on Oct 13, 2020 16:57:57 GMT -6
I was thinking a few weeks ago Stan made early inquiries about Andre-Fleury. Even if Andre-Fleury was available, here's what's confusing to me: If Stan was only willing to pay a 35 yr. old Corey Crawford $3.5M, or a little higher, then I don't see how he would have been willing to pay a 35 yr. old Marc Andre-Fleury $7M.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2020 17:03:26 GMT -6
Even if Andre-Fleury was available, here's what's confusing to me: If Stan was only willing to pay a 35 yr. old Corey Crawford $3.5M, or a little higher, then I don't see how he would have been willing to pay a 35 yr. old Marc Andre-Fleury $7M. That's easy to answer......it's Stan Bowman |
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Post by vadarx on Oct 13, 2020 18:27:21 GMT -6
I was thinking a few weeks ago Stan made early inquiries about Andre-Fleury. Even if Andre-Fleury was available, here's what's confusing to me: If Stan was only willing to pay a 35 yr. old Corey Crawford $3.5M, or a little higher, then I don't see how he would have been willing to pay a 35 yr. old Marc Andre-Fleury $7M. he was interested in the draft picks/prospects that would come along with MAF. |
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Post by acesandeights on Oct 13, 2020 19:39:43 GMT -6
I was thinking a few weeks ago Stan made early inquiries about Andre-Fleury. Even if Andre-Fleury was available, here's what's confusing to me: If Stan was only willing to pay a 35 yr. old Corey Crawford $3.5M, or a little higher, then I don't see how he would have been willing to pay a 35 yr. old Marc Andre-Fleury $7M. he was interested in the draft picks/prospects that would come along with MAF. That makes more sense. It would have been nice to have gotten another draft pick for the 2021 draft since we're minus our third rd. pick from the Shaw trade and didn't get any picks in the Saad trade. |
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Post by Tater on Oct 13, 2020 23:26:38 GMT -6
Stan's failure to get any decent picks so far is his biggest fail.
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Post by BigT on Oct 14, 2020 6:25:16 GMT -6
Stan's failure to get any decent picks so far is his biggest fail. Plus everything else he does, lest we forget!!! |
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Post by nighbor on Oct 14, 2020 11:06:20 GMT -6
Stan's failure to get any decent picks so far is his biggest fail. Plus everything else he does, lest we forget!!! Just wait until Stan adds President to his GM role. Oh happy days. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Oct 14, 2020 11:17:22 GMT -6
Definitely no hate for Crow from me, I greatly appreciate what he did in Chicago. I'm just saying if he really wanted to stay 400k shouldn't be a big issue or 1 extra year, especially considering he was over paid for a few years on his 6yr deal. I hope he plays great in NJ and stays healthy. The two bolded parts contradict one another. His numbers stayed good for a GT who faced that much rubber and physical abuse. Thanks,you were pretty good and all but don't let the door hit ya in the ass ain't a good look but it's in the franchise DNA. Team's gettin' hard to follow. How so? I don't hate Crow and I've been a fan since his Norfolk days but when he signed his 6yr 36 million dollar contract many of us thought he should've been signed for 5mill per, he certainly earned his 6mill though on the Cup runs and how he came back from being run over by Malkin and E.Kane throwing Strome into him, neither garnered a response from the Hawks. |
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Post by vadarx on Oct 14, 2020 12:42:12 GMT -6
Plus everything else he does, lest we forget!!! Just wait until Stan adds President to his GM role. Oh happy days. you shut yer mouth with talk like that! j/k nigh..... if that actually happened, tho, the end would be nigh...... 🥁🥁😋 |
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Post by hsbob on Oct 14, 2020 14:32:44 GMT -6
The two bolded parts contradict one another. His numbers stayed good for a GT who faced that much rubber and physical abuse. Thanks,you were pretty good and all but don't let the door hit ya in the ass ain't a good look but it's in the franchise DNA. Team's gettin' hard to follow. How so? I don't hate Crow and I've been a fan since his Norfolk days but when he signed his 6yr 36 million dollar contract many of us thought he should've been signed for 5mill per, he certainly earned his 6mill though on the Cup runs and how he came back from being run over by Malkin and E.Kane throwing Strome into him, neither garnered a response from the Hawks. So "he wasn't overpaid for a few years"? Most of the top tenders made more than CC did when he signed his deal and I though it was fair then and do now more than ever. Either way,he's gone and we can move on I guess. |
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Post by hsbob on Oct 14, 2020 14:33:47 GMT -6
Just wait until Stan adds President to his GM role. Oh happy days. you shut yer mouth with talk like that! j/k nigh..... if that actually happened, tho, the end would be nigh...... 🥁🥁😋 Prince Daniel's here to stay my friend. |
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Post by vadarx on Oct 14, 2020 18:13:53 GMT -6
you shut yer mouth with talk like that! j/k nigh..... if that actually happened, tho, the end would be nigh...... 🥁🥁😋 Prince Daniel's here to stay my friend. o, I know, I was just having fun with his username..... |
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Post by nighbor on Oct 15, 2020 3:30:16 GMT -6
you shut yer mouth with talk like that! j/k nigh..... if that actually happened, tho, the end would be nigh...... 🥁🥁😋 Prince Daniel's here to stay my friend. Maybe Prince Daniel and Stan will start a trend and become Co-Presidents. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Oct 15, 2020 12:53:21 GMT -6
The two bolded parts contradict one another. His numbers stayed good for a GT who faced that much rubber and physical abuse. Thanks,you were pretty good and all but don't let the door hit ya in the ass ain't a good look but it's in the franchise DNA. Team's gettin' hard to follow. How so? I don't hate Crow and I've been a fan since his Norfolk days but when he signed his 6yr 36 million dollar contract many of us thought he should've been signed for 5mill per, he certainly earned his 6mill though on the Cup runs and how he came back from being run over by Malkin and E.Kane throwing Strome into him, neither garnered a response from the Hawks. Even if he was overpaid by about 1M when the deal was inked, Hjammer was underpaid by about 1M, so it was all a wash in terms of cap. I could live with that. Thing is--in every year of his deal he either met or exceeded his worth vs. how much he was paid, or there was an extenuating circumstance like getting run and concussed, COVID, etc. Crawford's 6M AAV was the least of the 'hawks worries from 2015-2020. He was paid like a 5-15 goalie in the league and delivered. I don't think anyone who calls themselves a fan can argue that playing up to your paycheck or over is ever a bad thing--especially if they think you've been overpaid. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Oct 15, 2020 16:11:28 GMT -6
How so? I don't hate Crow and I've been a fan since his Norfolk days but when he signed his 6yr 36 million dollar contract many of us thought he should've been signed for 5mill per, he certainly earned his 6mill though on the Cup runs and how he came back from being run over by Malkin and E.Kane throwing Strome into him, neither garnered a response from the Hawks. Even if he was overpaid by about 1M when the deal was inked, Hjammer was underpaid by about 1M, so it was all a wash in terms of cap. I could live with that. Thing is--in every year of his deal he either met or exceeded his worth vs. how much he was paid, or there was an extenuating circumstance like getting run and concussed, COVID, etc. Crawford's 6M AAV was the least of the 'hawks worries from 2015-2020. He was paid like a 5-15 goalie in the league and delivered. I don't think anyone who calls themselves a fan can argue that playing up to your paycheck or over is ever a bad thing--especially if they think you've been overpaid. That's why I said he was overpay for some of his time here but definitely not the full 6yrs. Overall he earned everything he made with his Cup wins and rebounding from his concussions. And Hjalmarsson was overpaid when San Jose offer sheeted him but he earned his raise. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Oct 15, 2020 17:03:32 GMT -6
Even if he was overpaid by about 1M when the deal was inked, Hjammer was underpaid by about 1M, so it was all a wash in terms of cap. I could live with that. Thing is--in every year of his deal he either met or exceeded his worth vs. how much he was paid, or there was an extenuating circumstance like getting run and concussed, COVID, etc. Crawford's 6M AAV was the least of the 'hawks worries from 2015-2020. He was paid like a 5-15 goalie in the league and delivered. I don't think anyone who calls themselves a fan can argue that playing up to your paycheck or over is ever a bad thing--especially if they think you've been overpaid. That's why I said he was overpay for some of his time here but definitely not the full 6yrs. Overall he earned everything he made with his Cup wins and rebounding from his concussions. And Hjalmarsson was overpaid when San Jose offer sheeted him but he earned his raise. I might be splitting hairs here, but he has played at a 6M level or above every single year he was paid 6M--which means 2015 to 2020. Thus, he was never overpaid in the absolute. His deal was inked in the summer after 2013 and didn't kick in until the 2015 season. Thus the entire 2014 season he was technically a 2.7M goalie playing ~5M level. It may be a minor distinction but I think it's important when judging a player based on performance vs. cap. A player may have a deal waiting in the wings but they may still be paid less (or more) for a year. Take Debrincat now. Last season he had a 6.4M deal inked, but he was still a <800k FWD. Judging him as an <800k FWD he wasn't bad. But judging him as a 6.4M forward he seriously dropped the ball...except he's not a 6.4M FWD yet. This coming season he will be and he seriously needs to step it up because the bar seriously raised for him. |
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