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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2020 7:35:14 GMT -6
Stan is working on a contract with Scott Foster
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Post by hsbob on Oct 9, 2020 8:12:24 GMT -6
Those two will be pissin' up a rope! Keith,de Haan,Murphy,Seabs and Boqvist leave room for one and Mitchell is all but guaranteed that spot with Beaudin close behind......Seeler's still signed but far too impolite to play for our HC! I'm not sure this staff is right for the young in genaral or D-Cat and Strome don't regress,Boqvist gets better as the year goes on,Nolander finds purpose and somebody teaches Dach to win a draw. EMBRACE LAST PLACE! To me Boqvist shouldn't be on the top line with Keith, neither are stay home D-men. Keith thrived when he had Seabs as his stay home guy. That gave Keith the room. Hammer was the stay home guy for Oduya. Mitchell still has 3 years on his ELC, Carlsson and Gilbert are in their final year, let them learn the hard way to play. With these new D-men they drafted, let them play in Rockford for a year or three. Just like Keith, Seabs, Hammer and Buff did before they were brought up. I agree but Scambo will want to show all the 'great' D-men he drafted are worth their salt and Mitchell is all but guaranteed a spot,our brain dead GM actually gave him a choice to start his ELC this summer and thankfully he refused.......thank God one of em had sense. |
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Post by hawks27 on Oct 9, 2020 11:20:57 GMT -6
What happened to Wooter Peters? And Basse? they cut peeters loose, and basse (19 yrs. old) is in college. hopefully we see nalimov at camp this year, basse as well if he can swing it. I cringed when I read "cut Peeters loose" in your comment. Then I read on and it wasn't what it first appeared to be.  |
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Post by LordKOTL on Oct 9, 2020 13:37:31 GMT -6
That's where were headed. My only hope is that when it happens (since I see no way the team D can improve enough to help Delia or Lankinen--nor Lankinen or Delia being good enough to shelter the team D), that Stan gets unceremoniously ousted. Been in last place the last 2 seasons, won't be any different then. I mean Detroit/Ottawa last place. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Oct 9, 2020 20:24:52 GMT -6
Stan is working on a contract with Scott Foster all kidding aside, i wonder if they'd give scott darling a PTO? |
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Post by galaxytrash on Oct 9, 2020 21:14:35 GMT -6
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Post by vadarx on Oct 9, 2020 22:07:09 GMT -6
WOW...... I guess he just wanted to play some more and didn't care much about winning.... edit: also, we couldn't afford 3.9 per for 2 years? really? |
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Post by galaxytrash on Oct 9, 2020 22:24:13 GMT -6
WOW...... I guess he just wanted to play some more and didn't care much about winning.... edit: also, we couldn't afford 3.9 per for 2 years? really? idk how much he will play in NJ tbh. blackwood played in 47 of 69 games. he's their guy. maybe i'm a little slow on the draw here but i have no idea why bowman wouldn't up the offer a bit, or why crow couldn't come down a bit either. crow would draw way more starts here than he will in jersey imo. edit: i'm starting to think crow really did tell bowman to "go f*** himself" in their "emotional" convo a couple days ago. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Oct 10, 2020 0:43:52 GMT -6
I'm sure Namilov will get a shot at being the starter so it should be good competition between him, Subban, Lankinen, and Delia. What happened to Wooter Peters? And Basse? I was hoping Wouter would pan out, 6'4" 220+lbs when drafted is rare and he was athletic, but a shoulder injury in his first year in North America set him back, missed almost the full season. Never rebounded so like GT said, he was let go. GT also mentioned Basse is 19, he might be a few years away. 6'6" is a big goalie so here's hoping he keeps progressing. Bob said Lankinen is the best of the current goalies on the Hawks and I agree. Injuries didn't help in his first year in N/A but he looked refreshed and solid during the scrimmages before the playoffs. I don't blame Crow for moving on and I wish him all the best but it's time for someone who was around his age when he got his break to step up, and the Hawks have a few of them. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2020 2:20:16 GMT -6
WOW...... I guess he just wanted to play some more and didn't care much about winning.... edit: also, we couldn't afford 3.9 per for 2 years? really? idk how much he will play in NJ tbh. blackwood played in 47 of 69 games. he's their guy. maybe i'm a little slow on the draw here but i have no idea why bowman wouldn't up the offer a bit, or why crow couldn't come down a bit either. crow would draw way more starts here than he will in jersey imo. edit: i'm starting to think crow really did tell bowman to "go f*** himself" in their "emotional" convo a couple days ago.
ya know, I am starting to wonder the same and can't say I blame him much 1) I can't imagine crow has been thrilled with the lack of defense stan has put in front of him the last 3-4 years, often resulting in issues for Crow and the goalies as a whole 2) maybe Crow wasn't thrilled with how Stan and the team handled some of his "mystery" injuries in recent years where their secrecy led to rampant speculation ranging from blogs writing about a one-off drunken concert incident to drug usage 3) I think the Lehner signing goes overlooked... best-case scenario Stan was basically saying "we can't trust corey to stay healthy for a full season anymore and need insurance"... worst-cast scenarion stan was saying that AND hoping Lehner could be re-signed to be crawford's full-time replacement 4) the cherry on top was probably a bad negotiation where stan lowballed significantly which angered crawford... IF their intention is to begin a true rebuild and subban/rookie is the tandem we're looking at having a little over $1 million committed to the 2 goalies and if Stan actually had this thought out then I don't see him offering crawford anything close to $3.9 million a year meaning the cherry on top was probably "you're old/past your prime, you've had a variety of injury issues recently and we just don't believe you're that good anymore, we'll offer you 2-3 years at $2-2.5 million a year" so yeah, if any 2-3 of the above 4 are true then I could see crawford saying the exact same thing |
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Post by hsbob on Oct 10, 2020 9:11:16 GMT -6
As I said in another post,WBBM Chicago just reported that Crawford was devastated by the trade and also said there was basically no negotiating,I believe signing for what he did proves it. www.nbcsports.com/chicago/blackhawks/corey-crawford-opens-about-blackhawks-decision-moveI'm not saying we have Larry,Moe and Curly again......more like Shemp,Joe and Curly Joe!LOL! Keepng CC lets the team work in Delia and/or Lankinen who'll probably be the odd man out again.....Suban is not a starter in the NHL.....not even here. |
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Post by acesandeights on Oct 10, 2020 10:14:06 GMT -6
What happened to Wooter Peters? And Basse? I was hoping Wouter would pan out, 6'4" 220+lbs when drafted is rare and he was athletic, but a shoulder injury in his first year in North America set him back, missed almost the full season. Never rebounded so like GT said, he was let go. GT also mentioned Basse is 19, he might be a few years away. 6'6" is a big goalie so here's hoping he keeps progressing. Bob said Lankinen is the best of the current goalies on the Hawks and I agree. Injuries didn't help in his first year in N/A but he looked refreshed and solid during the scrimmages before the playoffs. I don't blame Crow for moving on and I wish him all the best but it's time for someone who was around his age when he got his break to step up, and the Hawks have a few of them. Basse, at 19, and now Commesso, at 18, are the reason we need college hockey this season, even if it is delayed. These two are the Hawks only goalie prospects under the age of 25 so we really need them to start getting development time at a higher level. |
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Post by cnyfan on Oct 10, 2020 10:49:04 GMT -6
Personally, I feel like I did when Hull, Savard and Doug Wilson were let go. I am devistated!
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Post by vadarx on Oct 10, 2020 11:11:31 GMT -6
I was hoping Wouter would pan out, 6'4" 220+lbs when drafted is rare and he was athletic, but a shoulder injury in his first year in North America set him back, missed almost the full season. Never rebounded so like GT said, he was let go. GT also mentioned Basse is 19, he might be a few years away. 6'6" is a big goalie so here's hoping he keeps progressing. Bob said Lankinen is the best of the current goalies on the Hawks and I agree. Injuries didn't help in his first year in N/A but he looked refreshed and solid during the scrimmages before the playoffs. I don't blame Crow for moving on and I wish him all the best but it's time for someone who was around his age when he got his break to step up, and the Hawks have a few of them. Basse, at 19, and now Commesso, at 18, are the reason we need college hockey this season, even if it is delayed. These two are the Hawks only goalie prospects under the age of 25 so we really need them to start getting development time at a higher level. my understanding is it is a go! delayed, but the season will be played. |
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Post by vadarx on Oct 10, 2020 11:15:00 GMT -6
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Post by acesandeights on Oct 10, 2020 12:09:24 GMT -6
Basse, at 19, and now Commesso, at 18, are the reason we need college hockey this season, even if it is delayed. These two are the Hawks only goalie prospects under the age of 25 so we really need them to start getting development time at a higher level. my understanding is it is a go! delayed, but the season will be played. That's good to hear. My understanding was Basse was delayed one year so this season will be his first at Colorado College. Commesso will have Vlasic as a teammate. |
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Post by vadarx on Oct 10, 2020 12:31:14 GMT -6
my understanding is it is a go! delayed, but the season will be played. That's good to hear. My understanding was Basse was delayed one year so this season will be his first at Colorado College. Commesso will have Vlasic as a teammate. really? why was he delayed? aye. Wise as well. |
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Post by acesandeights on Oct 10, 2020 16:20:44 GMT -6
That's good to hear. My understanding was Basse was delayed one year so this season will be his first at Colorado College. Commesso will have Vlasic as a teammate. really? why was he delayed? aye. Wise as well. I haven't been able to find out why Basse didn't go to Colorado College right off. After committing to CC, his plans seemed to have been he would go to Col. Coll. in 2020-21. Maybe someone else may know. I have learned during his 16 yr. old season in Maryland he had been drafted by the Youngstown team in the USHL and that's where he ended up playing last season instead of at CC. What would you bet Basse will be the tallest player on the Col. Coll. team this year.  I learned this also. Here's how he started out as a youngster: It was a rocky beginning for Dom on the ice. Lorna said he hated skating as a young child, pushing a bucket around unhappily “until we gave him hot chocolate.” |
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Post by mvr on Oct 10, 2020 17:13:07 GMT -6
This news today about how surprised Crawford was about Bowman's unwillingness to negotiate a counter offer confirms why I think the general manager is not suited for a leadership role.
It is obvious - at least to my mind - that he is not a good communicator. He also seems to avoid rather than address conflict head on.
Clearly if Bowman was presenting Crawford with a take-it-or-leave it offer, the goaltender and his agent should have known that is what it was. It is not difficult to get that message out there. There did not need to be any surprises here. The phone conversation did not need to be "difficult" if Bowman had made his initial position clear.
Crawford was waiting for a counter offer, as is traditionally done during negotiations. When he picked up the phone, he was still hopeful something was about to get done. This is shameful and highly disrespectful. How could it come to this end?
I see a pattern. Bowman and Quenneville were obviously not communicating effectively in the final few years. Leaders should be clear about their messaging. There is no need for surprises.
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Post by hsbob on Oct 10, 2020 18:12:17 GMT -6
This news today about how surprised Crawford was about Bowman's unwillingness to negotiate a counter offer confirms why I think the general manager is not suited for a leadership role. It is obvious - at least to my mind - that he is not a good communicator. He also seems to avoid rather than address conflict head on. Clearly if Bowman was presenting Crawford with a take-it-or-leave it offer, the goaltender and his agent should have known that is what it was. It is not difficult to get that message out there. There did not need to be any surprises here. The phone conversation did not need to be "difficult" if Bowman had made his initial position clear. Crawford was waiting for a counter offer, as is traditionally done during negotiations. When he picked up the phone, he was still hopeful something was about to get done. This is shameful and highly disrespectful. How could it come to this end? I see a pattern. Bowman and Quenneville were obviously not communicating effectively in the final few years. Leaders should be clear about their messaging. There is no need for surprises. If the offer was 3.5M for one,then 3.9M for two is far from an unreasonable counter and the player's value as far as the market too,I know you advocated for a multi year,discounted deal and that's exactly what he signed in NJ. Crawford woulda been perfect to shield and mentor one or both of the young guys as you said before,Darling said he loved and appreciated playing with Crawford..... www.dailyherald.com/sports/20201008/darling-disappointed-and-shocked-by-hawks-decision-on-crawford-If the team really plans to go with the rostered goaltenders,then don't be surprised to see em try to get a vet a few months in after nightly embarrassments. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2020 18:23:31 GMT -6
This news today about how surprised Crawford was about Bowman's unwillingness to negotiate a counter offer confirms why I think the general manager is not suited for a leadership role. It is obvious - at least to my mind - that he is not a good communicator. He also seems to avoid rather than address conflict head on. Clearly if Bowman was presenting Crawford with a take-it-or-leave it offer, the goaltender and his agent should have known that is what it was. It is not difficult to get that message out there. There did not need to be any surprises here. The phone conversation did not need to be "difficult" if Bowman had made his initial position clear. Crawford was waiting for a counter offer, as is traditionally done during negotiations. When he picked up the phone, he was still hopeful something was about to get done. This is shameful and highly disrespectful. How could it come to this end? I see a pattern. Bowman and Quenneville were obviously not communicating effectively in the final few years. Leaders should be clear about their messaging. There is no need for surprises. If the offer was 3.5M for one,then 3.9M for two is far from an unreasonable counter and the player's value as far as the market too,I know you advocated for a multi year,discounted deal and that's exactly what he signed in NJ. Crawford woulda been perfect to shield and mentor one or both of the young guys as you said before,Darling said he loved and appreciated playing with Crawford..... www.dailyherald.com/sports/20201008/darling-disappointed-and-shocked-by-hawks-decision-on-crawford-If the team really plans to go with the rostered goaltenders,then don't be surprised to see em try to get a vet a few months in after nightly embarrassments. I hear both Niemi and Huet are available and considering Stan LOVES bringing back ex-Hawks, well... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2020 18:29:38 GMT -6
If the offer was 3.5M for one,then 3.9M for two is far from an unreasonable counter and the player's value as far as the market too,I know you advocated for a multi year,discounted deal and that's exactly what he signed in NJ. Crawford woulda been perfect to shield and mentor one or both of the young guys as you said before,Darling said he loved and appreciated playing with Crawford..... www.dailyherald.com/sports/20201008/darling-disappointed-and-shocked-by-hawks-decision-on-crawford-If the team really plans to go with the rostered goaltenders,then don't be surprised to see em try to get a vet a few months in after nightly embarrassments. I hear both Niemi and Huet are available and considering Stan LOVES bringing back ex-Hawks, well... Can Rundblad be far behind? |
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Post by Tater on Oct 10, 2020 23:19:25 GMT -6
I hear both Niemi and Huet are available and considering Stan LOVES bringing back ex-Hawks, well... Can Rundblad be far behind? Then would need to get Stalberg, to make up for Rundblad's lack off speed. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Oct 11, 2020 0:07:53 GMT -6
well...who knows?
subban's never had to be "the man."
maybe he will react in a positive way if he becomes our clear cut starter. at 26 he's the same age as crow was when his career started to blossom..
maybe i'm grasping at straws here but it might be a bit premature to just assume subban is going to be a bust for us.
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Post by Tater on Oct 11, 2020 0:13:42 GMT -6
well...who knows? subban's never had to be "the man." maybe he will react in a positive way if he becomes our clear cut starter. at 26 he's the same age as crow was when his career started to blossom.. maybe i'm grasping at straws here but it might be a bit premature to just assume subban is going to be a bust for us. And maybe Nylander pots 30+ and becomes a forechecking monster.
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Post by galaxytrash on Oct 11, 2020 0:27:36 GMT -6
well...who knows? subban's never had to be "the man." maybe he will react in a positive way if he becomes our clear cut starter. at 26 he's the same age as crow was when his career started to blossom.. maybe i'm grasping at straws here but it might be a bit premature to just assume subban is going to be a bust for us. And maybe Nylander pots 30+ and becomes a forechecking monster.
Just yanking your chain. well....we've seen nylander in a hawks uni for a total of 73 games regular season/playoffs combined. we've seen subban for a total of 8 shots against in 30 minutes and 14 seconds regular season/exhibition combined. i would be a lot more surprised to see nylander break out than i would subban. : ) |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Oct 11, 2020 7:44:11 GMT -6
well...who knows? subban's never had to be "the man." maybe he will react in a positive way if he becomes our clear cut starter. at 26 he's the same age as crow was when his career started to blossom.. maybe i'm grasping at straws here but it might be a bit premature to just assume subban is going to be a bust for us. Delia is 26 as well and Lankinen is 25, I'm sure one of the 3 will step up. All 3 have been around long enough and this is the break they've been looking for. Also Namilov is 26 and the Hawks traded for a big Russian dman 🤔 maybe he steps up. As for Crawford, if he really wanted to stay he would've signed that 1yr offer. One more year and only 400k more to sign with the Devils makes no sense. He can say he's devastated but he made 36 million over 6yrs here and he's in his mid 30s. I really appreciate what he did in Chicago but I'm ok moving on seeing what these 3...or 4 goalies can do. |
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Post by hsbob on Oct 11, 2020 8:10:10 GMT -6
well...who knows? subban's never had to be "the man." maybe he will react in a positive way if he becomes our clear cut starter. at 26 he's the same age as crow was when his career started to blossom.. maybe i'm grasping at straws here but it might be a bit premature to just assume subban is going to be a bust for us. Delia is 26 as well and Lankinen is 25, I'm sure one of the 3 will step up. All 3 have been around long enough and this is the break they've been looking for. Also Namilov is 26 and the Hawks traded for a big Russian dman 🤔 maybe he steps up. As for Crawford, if he really wanted to stay he would've signed that 1yr offer. One more year and only 400k more to sign with the Devils makes no sense. He can say he's devastated but he made 36 million over 6yrs here and he's in his mid 30s. I really appreciate what he did in Chicago but I'm ok moving on seeing what these 3...or 4 goalies can do. Did you get a job with the front office? LOL....just kidding. Suban saw consecutive seasons with 20+ games for a much better team than ours and his numbers stunk. Delia looked mediocre in his 18 games and the other two I can't say without seeing them face NHL rubber. I just don't see how anyone can be "sure" of such inexperienced or dubious goaltenders stepping up........Lehner had a 3+ GAA here for God's sake. If Crawford wanted to stay? The guy just attempted to negotiate with our resident idiot and countered realistically and wanting another year @35 makes no sense? |
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Post by hsbob on Oct 11, 2020 8:15:04 GMT -6
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Post by vadarx on Oct 11, 2020 11:22:39 GMT -6
well...who knows? subban's never had to be "the man." maybe he will react in a positive way if he becomes our clear cut starter. at 26 he's the same age as crow was when his career started to blossom.. maybe i'm grasping at straws here but it might be a bit premature to just assume subban is going to be a bust for us. Delia is 26 as well and Lankinen is 25, I'm sure one of the 3 will step up. All 3 have been around long enough and this is the break they've been looking for. Also Namilov is 26 and the Hawks traded for a big Russian dman 🤔 maybe he steps up. As for Crawford, if he really wanted to stay he would've signed that 1yr offer. One more year and only 400k more to sign with the Devils makes no sense. He can say he's devastated but he made 36 million over 6yrs here and he's in his mid 30s. I really appreciate what he did in Chicago but I'm ok moving on seeing what these 3...or 4 goalies can do. not really understanding the Crawford hate here. he was devastated because he thought there was an ongoing negotiation and Bowman called him and said "nah, nevermind". I understand moving on from him and all. if he wanted too much money, then fine, move on. judging by his contract in NJ, he didn't. if they didn't want to do more than one year, fine. that should've been pretty easy to state right off the bat. clearly they did not, otherwise Crawford wouldn't have said what he did and the reactions to the move wouldn't be so strong. it is what it is now. I dont think going into next season without at least one proven 'tender is a good plan, but i guess we will see how it goes. hopefully the 3 (or 4, as you mentioned Namilov) man competition will bring out the best in one of them, but I'm not going to hold my breath. |
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