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Post by hsbob on Oct 20, 2020 7:56:54 GMT -6
I read on another Hawks board that the Hawks are holding a press conference tomorrow. Anyone else hear anything about that? If true - interesting and possibly affecting the very thing this tread is about. seen this a few hours back, looks like it won't be until tomorrow. i'm guessing they are announcing a new president and i'm going to say its ed olczyk, hopefully they're just not removing the interim tag from daniel's current title.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2020 8:22:53 GMT -6
eddie interviewed for the g.m. jobs in both florida and new jersey. i understand your concerns but i'd prefer a hockey guy as president for a change. anyhoo....good to see you back, mate. Good to be seen.  And good to be back. I agree with your preference to have a hockey guy as president but I'd rather have a hockey guy who doesn't have heartstring attachments to current players and staff. I'm not suggesting Eddie wouldn't be able to make decisions independent of his personal feelings - only that there is that possibility whereas I wouldn't have that same concern about a hockey guy from outside. I think if Eddie has any attachments, it would be to the remaining core of Keith, Seabrook, Toews, and Kane only. And those players are all locked into the team with NMC. So I wouldn't be too concerned if he were to take over.
I also wonder if there is any connection to waiting until now to announce this, if it does indeed involve Eddie, and the announcement of Emerick retiring? They were a team for well over a decade too.
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Post by hsbob on Oct 20, 2020 8:26:09 GMT -6
Connor Murphy was a tough SOB on his last team and Zach Smith was quick to settle his own and other's hash with the Sens......what happened when they got here? With Cagguila gone and who knows what we get from Shaw because if he plays his style,he doesn't play long any more,we'll see an entire team hiding behind one big Russian. we'll see an entire team hiding behind one big Russian. When Connor Murphy came to Chicago the coaches were allergic to hitting. At least to the d hitting or being physical. It was Stan's idea to supply Q with some players including Murphy to bring more physicality to the team. Murphy can still be a tough SOB if the system called for it. I remember a time when Seabrook on a regular basis took out his man. Zack Smith during the 2019-2020 season had back problems and underwent back surgery. Shaw's game is instinctive and he will continue to play the same way. The last thing I read about Shaw was that he is fully recovered from his last concussion and healing from some previous ones. I do not see the team as the reincarnation of the Broad Street Bullies but we have enough size to make it harder for our opponents to go from point A to B. The big Russian will just be the biggest.
Some fans expected more physicality from the team after Q's departure and I think those fans have been disappointed. Team physicality did drop off in Q's last few years but that's what happens when you replace guys like Shaw with guys like like Jurco,team history shows it's inept GM moving out nearly every player who played with an edge. I'll welcome a bigger team that sticks up for itself and one another but I believe I'll be in another group of disappointed fans when I don't see it. Who other than the Big Russian D-man do you expect to see physicality from? I love Shawzie but I fear if he "plays the same way",he won't play long and Smith hurt his back late in the year and came to no one's aid prior to that back injury. |
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Post by hsbob on Oct 20, 2020 8:32:07 GMT -6
Good to be seen. And good to be back. I agree with your preference to have a hockey guy as president but I'd rather have a hockey guy who doesn't have heartstring attachments to current players and staff. I'm not suggesting Eddie wouldn't be able to make decisions independent of his personal feelings - only that there is that possibility whereas I wouldn't have that same concern about a hockey guy from outside. I think if Eddie has any attachments, it would be to the remaining core of Keith, Seabrook, Toews, and Kane only. And those players are all locked into the team with NMC. So I wouldn't be too concerned if he were to take over.
I also wonder if there is any connection to waiting until now to announce this, if it does indeed involve Eddie, and the announcement of Emerick retiring? They were a team for well over a decade too.
With Doc retired,Edzo's gonna be the 'Cock of the walk' over at NBC sports and they might want him to stay to the tune of a lotta money. I just wish a guy could be certain about the rumored SB extension because that's a big speed bump for a new Pres.! |
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Post by ebonyraptor on Oct 20, 2020 9:03:41 GMT -6
Good to be seen. And good to be back. I agree with your preference to have a hockey guy as president but I'd rather have a hockey guy who doesn't have heartstring attachments to current players and staff. I'm not suggesting Eddie wouldn't be able to make decisions independent of his personal feelings - only that there is that possibility whereas I wouldn't have that same concern about a hockey guy from outside. I think if Eddie has any attachments, it would be to the remaining core of Keith, Seabrook, Toews, and Kane only. And those players are all locked into the team with NMC. So I wouldn't be too concerned if he were to take over.
I also wonder if there is any connection to waiting until now to announce this, if it does indeed involve Eddie, and the announcement of Emerick retiring? They were a team for well over a decade too.
That is precisely my concern - that he would dismiss the notion of trading the core-4. I realize it's heresy to suggest any of those 4 guys get traded, much less all of them, but if the rebuild is to have the best chance to succeed in a reasonable time period (~3-5 years), trading those guys would be beneficial. The NMC's are a barrier but not insurmountable. There are no perfect answers to any of this so the best case is to find and execute the most optimal plan. Inherent in a strip down to the studs rebuild is the acceptance that the team will stink to high heaven for at least a couple years and maybe longer. But also inherent is the fact that it is the best (only) way to acquire high draft picks and high quality prospects. The alternative is to be stuck in the middle hoping for the table scraps of just trying to make the playoffs to try to catch lightening in a bottle. That hasn't worked the last few seasons for the Hawks and the probability lessens with each year the core-4 age. Trade the core-4 with 50% retention to maximize return. I'm pretty sure Kane at $5.25M for 3 more years would garner a very nice return. I know there is a limit in the number of salary retentions a team can have but do as much as possible. |
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Post by BigT on Oct 20, 2020 11:25:13 GMT -6
I think if Eddie has any attachments, it would be to the remaining core of Keith, Seabrook, Toews, and Kane only. And those players are all locked into the team with NMC. So I wouldn't be too concerned if he were to take over.
I also wonder if there is any connection to waiting until now to announce this, if it does indeed involve Eddie, and the announcement of Emerick retiring? They were a team for well over a decade too.
That is precisely my concern - that he would dismiss the notion of trading the core-4. I realize it's heresy to suggest any of those 4 guys get traded, much less all of them, but if the rebuild is to have the best chance to succeed in a reasonable time period (~3-5 years), trading those guys would be beneficial. The NMC's are a barrier but not insurmountable. There are no perfect answers to any of this so the best case is to find and execute the most optimal plan. Inherent in a strip down to the studs rebuild is the acceptance that the team will stink to high heaven for at least a couple years and maybe longer. But also inherent is the fact that it is the best (only) way to acquire high draft picks and high quality prospects. The alternative is to be stuck in the middle hoping for the table scraps of just trying to make the playoffs to try to catch lightening in a bottle. That hasn't worked the last few seasons for the Hawks and the probability lessens with each year the core-4 age. Trade the core-4 with 50% retention to maximize return. I'm pretty sure Kane at $5.25M for 3 more years would garner a very nice return. I know there is a limit in the number of salary retentions a team can have but do as much as possible. I know you just got back. But i proposed this scenario. 1) Trade Kane to the Rangers to play with Panera again. Retain 50%. The return would be a player that makes 2-3 million just to help out the acquisition. Also with the deal would be a 2021 1st round pick, and Kappo Kakko. 2) Trade Toews to the Avs for a 2 million $ spare part. Then a 2021 1st round pick, and Bowen Byram. This would be an amazing start to a rebuild. We get two 1st rounders. Not the highest picks, but still. Also we get a former #2 overall and a #4 overall. I think both those teams do this because the window is very narrow to win. The Rags have 3 years till they gotta pay Lafreniere, and conveniently Kane’s contract is up when Lafreniere is due. The Avs will eventually have to pay a lot of these guys. They have a great situation with Mackinnon. He has made it clear to win, he’ll take less money. Getting Toews proves this. I think all parties do this, lots of benefit for everyone!!! |
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Post by ebonyraptor on Oct 20, 2020 12:08:44 GMT -6
That is precisely my concern - that he would dismiss the notion of trading the core-4. I realize it's heresy to suggest any of those 4 guys get traded, much less all of them, but if the rebuild is to have the best chance to succeed in a reasonable time period (~3-5 years), trading those guys would be beneficial. The NMC's are a barrier but not insurmountable. There are no perfect answers to any of this so the best case is to find and execute the most optimal plan. Inherent in a strip down to the studs rebuild is the acceptance that the team will stink to high heaven for at least a couple years and maybe longer. But also inherent is the fact that it is the best (only) way to acquire high draft picks and high quality prospects. The alternative is to be stuck in the middle hoping for the table scraps of just trying to make the playoffs to try to catch lightening in a bottle. That hasn't worked the last few seasons for the Hawks and the probability lessens with each year the core-4 age. Trade the core-4 with 50% retention to maximize return. I'm pretty sure Kane at $5.25M for 3 more years would garner a very nice return. I know there is a limit in the number of salary retentions a team can have but do as much as possible. I know you just got back. But i proposed this scenario. 1) Trade Kane to the Rangers to play with Panera again. Retain 50%. The return would be a player that makes 2-3 million just to help out the acquisition. Also with the deal would be a 2021 1st round pick, and Kappo Kakko. 2) Trade Toews to the Avs for a 2 million $ spare part. Then a 2021 1st round pick, and Bowen Byram. This would be an amazing start to a rebuild. We get two 1st rounders. Not the highest picks, but still. Also we get a former #2 overall and a #4 overall. I think both those teams do this because the window is very narrow to win. The Rags have 3 years till they gotta pay Lafreniere, and conveniently Kane’s contract is up when Lafreniere is due. The Avs will eventually have to pay a lot of these guys. They have a great situation with Mackinnon. He has made it clear to win, he’ll take less money. Getting Toews proves this. I think all parties do this, lots of benefit for everyone!!! I'm not sure the return you suggest isn't a tad more than NYR and COL would agree to, but I think the principle of making those types of deals is solid and should be pursued by the Hawks. As for the NMC clauses, I think if Kane can be convinced to go to a team on the upswing with possible linemates like Panarin or Lafreniere, then maybe that bursts the dam and Toews and/or Keith looks to get out too. I think the idea that Kane @50% AND a $2M-$3M cap swap player coming back to the Hawks would get Kakko and their 2021 1st round pick is a lot closer to reality than Toews with no retention gets a 1st and Byram. I think the only way that deal comes close to Sakic agreeing to it is if the Hawks take back more than a $2M spare part. But again, I think in principle it's a sound plan that would help expedite the Hawks rebuild. |
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Post by Tater on Oct 20, 2020 12:24:27 GMT -6
Well what time is this big announcement supposed to happen?
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Post by vadarx on Oct 20, 2020 12:44:15 GMT -6
it's just Bowman telling everyone that he is copying the Rags. or he is going to try to.
in other words: hey you guys that won the Cups and helped me keep my job for this long? yeah, go fuck yourselves.
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Post by Tater on Oct 20, 2020 12:45:41 GMT -6
I just now got this email from the Hawks:
"We recently said goodbye to a pair of popular, two-time champions and acquired some new players via trade and free agency. We understand it was tough to see those respected veterans go and realize you may have some questions about our direction. We'd like to address that direction and share why we're hopeful for the future of Blackhawks hockey.
We're committed to developing young players and rebuilding our roster. We want more than another window to win; we want to reach the summit again, and stay there -- an effort that will require a stockpile of emerging talent to complement our top players. The influx of youth and their progression will provide roster flexibility and depth throughout our lineup.
We were already the youngest team in the 2020 playoffs and several Blackhawks experienced that intensity for the first time; this will help to further establish a culture that embraces the grind of improvement driven by competitors who are relentless, engaged and motivated by a team-first mentality to win.
As our young players develop and learn how to win consistently, they'll make some mistakes. Inevitably, we'll miss the mark sometimes, too, but we'll communicate openly with you on this journey together.
We know that what comes next must be more than just words, and that inspires us.
- The Chicago Blackhawks"
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Post by jimakablkhwks918 on Oct 20, 2020 12:50:56 GMT -6
If this is how the vets are finding out about the rebuild....wow....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2020 12:51:25 GMT -6
I just now got this email from the Hawks: "We recently said goodbye to a pair of popular, two-time champions and acquired some new players via trade and free agency. We understand it was tough to see those respected veterans go and realize you may have some questions about our direction. We'd like to address that direction and share why we're hopeful for the future of Blackhawks hockey.
We're committed to developing young players and rebuilding our roster. We want more than another window to win; we want to reach the summit again, and stay there -- an effort that will require a stockpile of emerging talent to complement our top players. The influx of youth and their progression will provide roster flexibility and depth throughout our lineup.
We were already the youngest team in the 2020 playoffs and several Blackhawks experienced that intensity for the first time; this will help to further establish a culture that embraces the grind of improvement driven by competitors who are relentless, engaged and motivated by a team-first mentality to win.
As our young players develop and learn how to win consistently, they'll make some mistakes. Inevitably, we'll miss the mark sometimes, too, but we'll communicate openly with you on this journey together.
We know that what comes next must be more than just words, and that inspires us.
- The Chicago Blackhawks"Yeah, saw this too......If this was the big announcement it was just admitting to what they've already done. Did they put this out for the fans, or for the core? Nothing but a bunch of crap! Trying to convince the fans to hang with them, Stan has a plan to make the team crap for years to come, ruining the careers of the remaining core. Hopefully this will cause a mass exodus of STH and the UC turns into a tomb until Bowman goes. |
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Post by BigT on Oct 20, 2020 12:55:56 GMT -6
I know you just got back. But i proposed this scenario. 1) Trade Kane to the Rangers to play with Panera again. Retain 50%. The return would be a player that makes 2-3 million just to help out the acquisition. Also with the deal would be a 2021 1st round pick, and Kappo Kakko. 2) Trade Toews to the Avs for a 2 million $ spare part. Then a 2021 1st round pick, and Bowen Byram. This would be an amazing start to a rebuild. We get two 1st rounders. Not the highest picks, but still. Also we get a former #2 overall and a #4 overall. I think both those teams do this because the window is very narrow to win. The Rags have 3 years till they gotta pay Lafreniere, and conveniently Kane’s contract is up when Lafreniere is due. The Avs will eventually have to pay a lot of these guys. They have a great situation with Mackinnon. He has made it clear to win, he’ll take less money. Getting Toews proves this. I think all parties do this, lots of benefit for everyone!!! I'm not sure the return you suggest isn't a tad more than NYR and COL would agree to, but I think the principle of making those types of deals is solid and should be pursued by the Hawks. As for the NMC clauses, I think if Kane can be convinced to go to a team on the upswing with possible linemates like Panarin or Lafreniere, then maybe that bursts the dam and Toews and/or Keith looks to get out too. I think the idea that Kane @50% AND a $2M-$3M cap swap player coming back to the Hawks would get Kakko and their 2021 1st round pick is a lot closer to reality than Toews with no retention gets a 1st and Byram. I think the only way that deal comes close to Sakic agreeing to it is if the Hawks take back more than a $2M spare part. But again, I think in principle it's a sound plan that would help expedite the Hawks rebuild. Yes, I would also retain salary for Toews. I think those deals get done. But now it seems Scambo gets a shot at screwing up for a 5th time!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2020 13:02:23 GMT -6
E-mail I just sent to Bowman:
You Are A Joke
For over a decade you've been living off the success of the the acquisitions of other GM's while slowly dismantling the core. You've shown nothing that indicates you are at all capable of building a championship caliber team and should have been fired years ago. You've backstabbed Tallon, Q, and likely McDonough as well. How you get to continue on when this complete fall from the top to likely the bottom of the NHL is completely on you and your incompetence is beyond me. You've always come off to me as pompous, with your nose in the air like your something special. Somehow you've been able to survive in your position despite the fact the failures are all on you! You were and are the GM who took the once proud Chicago Blackhawks from perennial championship caliber teams to one of the worst in the NHL. Both you and your current head coach need to be fired. Then, and only then, will this team have a chance to succeed again.
The letter you sent out today, finally detailing your veiled attempt at explaining yourself, will hopefully result in an empty UC for decades.
Former Hawks fan
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Post by vadarx on Oct 20, 2020 13:03:38 GMT -6
I just now got this email from the Hawks: "We recently said goodbye to a pair of popular, two-time champions and acquired some new players via trade and free agency. We understand it was tough to see those respected veterans go and realize you may have some questions about our direction. We'd like to address that direction and share why we're hopeful for the future of Blackhawks hockey.
We're committed to developing young players and rebuilding our roster. We want more than another window to win; we want to reach the summit again, and stay there -- an effort that will require a stockpile of emerging talent to complement our top players. The influx of youth and their progression will provide roster flexibility and depth throughout our lineup.
We were already the youngest team in the 2020 playoffs and several Blackhawks experienced that intensity for the first time; this will help to further establish a culture that embraces the grind of improvement driven by competitors who are relentless, engaged and motivated by a team-first mentality to win.
As our young players develop and learn how to win consistently, they'll make some mistakes. Inevitably, we'll miss the mark sometimes, too, but we'll communicate openly with you on this journey together.
We know that what comes next must be more than just words, and that inspires us.
- The Chicago Blackhawks"translation: "to the vets, here's your notice. happy now? now do what we say or fuck off." "to the fans, hey we are gonna trade some more guys that you like, but please keep giving us money. we are gonna fuck up sometimes, but we are certain we can get to and stay at the mountain top even though no franchise in the history of the league has ever stayed at the mountain top forever because it is impossible, especially with a salary cap. but we're gonna!" |
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Post by hsbob on Oct 20, 2020 13:17:08 GMT -6
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Post by Tater on Oct 20, 2020 13:22:48 GMT -6
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Post by jimakablkhwks918 on Oct 20, 2020 13:27:37 GMT -6
We'll see what, if anything, the four players have to say about that meeting...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2020 13:37:42 GMT -6
Some more in-depth conversation about the Hawks direction. Sounds like Colliton will be extended before the season starts too! oh joy
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Post by vadarx on Oct 20, 2020 13:44:13 GMT -6
Some more in-depth conversation about the Hawks direction. Sounds like Colliton will be extended before the season starts too! oh joy
posted the same about that in the hawk moves thread. basically Bowman has free reign now and he is gonna fuck the core until they agree to be traded. we are on the same path as the wangs, folks. they did the same shit with Holland and let him totally fuck up that franchise for YEARS before someone finally said "enough". of course, it only happened when Yzerman was suddenly available, so.... hopefully Seabrook retires and goes somewhere to learn how to be a GM, otherwise we got no Stevie Y to save us in a decade or so.... |
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Post by hsbob on Oct 20, 2020 13:50:11 GMT -6
I thought I'd hear something new but this is basically what already's been said,a letter that's signed by NO ONE isn't a confidence booster. The article I posted above quotes our brain dead GM as saying "this isn't a rebuild in tense of we're tearing this down and we're just getting rid of all the players",so it's a rebuild with the 33M+ paid to the core remaining? How are additional picks and prospects acquired?
This smacks of 'Prince Daniel' inspired 'mission speak'.....
"reach the summit again"......when?
"further establish a culture".......BLAH....BLAH....BLAH!!!
"provide roster flexibility and depth throughout the lineup".......thought we did that last summer?
"we'll make some mistakes" and "we'll miss the mark sometimes".......been doin'that the last three years and you can bet your ass they'll keep on doin' that.
Is it me or did anyone else get any direction other than we're just gonna be bad with no intention of moving any more cup winners from all that doublespeak?
Ownership is hangin' on to the meal tickets with no intention of asking anyone to waive....not even Seabs?
I said it before and I'll say it again,keeping Kane,Toews and Keith along with some improvement from a few kids and a HC that doesn't really know how to develop those kids can easily result in a team just close enough to get more mid-round picks and that's a poorly designed rebuild.
I knew this Org doesn't have the balls to move one of the three time cup winning core and that's from the Wirtz's on down.
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Post by ebonyraptor on Oct 20, 2020 13:56:25 GMT -6
I'm not sure the return you suggest isn't a tad more than NYR and COL would agree to, but I think the principle of making those types of deals is solid and should be pursued by the Hawks. As for the NMC clauses, I think if Kane can be convinced to go to a team on the upswing with possible linemates like Panarin or Lafreniere, then maybe that bursts the dam and Toews and/or Keith looks to get out too. I think the idea that Kane @50% AND a $2M-$3M cap swap player coming back to the Hawks would get Kakko and their 2021 1st round pick is a lot closer to reality than Toews with no retention gets a 1st and Byram. I think the only way that deal comes close to Sakic agreeing to it is if the Hawks take back more than a $2M spare part. But again, I think in principle it's a sound plan that would help expedite the Hawks rebuild. Yes, I would also retain salary for Toews. I think those deals get done. But now it seems Scambo gets a shot at screwing up for a 5th time!!! Don't quote me on this but I think a team can retain only 3 salaries concurrently. The Hawks have Saad and Maatta salary retained in 2021 and Maatta again in 2022. So if the limit is 3, the Hawks could do only one more in 2021 and then another one in 2022. |
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Post by vadarx on Oct 20, 2020 14:00:53 GMT -6
Yes, I would also retain salary for Toews. I think those deals get done. But now it seems Scambo gets a shot at screwing up for a 5th time!!! Don't quote me on this but I think a team can retain only 3 salaries concurrently. The Hawks have Saad and Maatta salary retained in 2021 and Maatta again in 2022. So if the limit is 3, the Hawks could do only one more in 2021 and then another one in 2022. I believe this is correct. but, no worries, they aren't trading anyone yet, anyway. *winks at his cohorts in the front office while assuring the fans that they give them their money they'll be able to still see their favorite players in their favorite jerseys* |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2020 14:03:09 GMT -6
Yes, I would also retain salary for Toews. I think those deals get done. But now it seems Scambo gets a shot at screwing up for a 5th time!!! Don't quote me on this but I think a team can retain only 3 salaries concurrently. The Hawks have Saad and Maatta salary retained in 2021 and Maatta again in 2022. So if the limit is 3, the Hawks could do only one more in 2021 and then another one in 2022. Found this on Cap Friendly:
What is a retained salary transaction/trade
When a team trades a player, they have the option to retain a part of their salary (and cap hit). The team who retains the salary then pays the retained percentage of the salary, and also retains the percentage of the cap hit until the contract expires. The following requirements must be met to retain salary:
The percentage retained cannot exceed 50 percent of the player’s salary (including all bonuses) and Salary Cap Hit.
The same percentage must be retained for both the player’s salary and Salary Cap Hit, and cannot be modified.
All teams are limited to a maximum of 3 retained salary contracts per season.
Teams cannot retain an aggregate amount of more than 15 percent of the Salary Cap Upper Limit.
Players’ contracts are limited to 2 retained salary transactions per contract.
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Post by vadarx on Oct 20, 2020 14:03:33 GMT -6
I will say this: at least Bowman does seem to understand that you can't trade EVERYONE away and expect the young guys to all come together and be great. ya gotta have a vet or two in the room to lead em.
now let's see if he has enough sense to choose the right ones to keep and lead.....
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Post by hsbob on Oct 20, 2020 14:05:06 GMT -6
Some more in-depth conversation about the Hawks direction. Sounds like Colliton will be extended before the season starts too! oh joy
"it isn't a pivot,rather an extension of the Black Hawk's objective over the past two seasons" A "pivot" would take balls! "we're on the same path we were on last year"..........Squandering 20M+,our best D prospect and two high picks is a path? Who knew? "there's really no change in direction"....... NO SHIT! "the direction is not something that is a sea change for us"...... I'm sea sick at this point and I'm finding it real hard to follow this mess. We're gonna keep doin' the same nonsense we've been doin' but we just wanted to let you know that we also know we suck? How's that search for the new president going you bunch of hockey insight starved fools? |
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Post by vadarx on Oct 20, 2020 14:05:27 GMT -6
Don't quote me on this but I think a team can retain only 3 salaries concurrently. The Hawks have Saad and Maatta salary retained in 2021 and Maatta again in 2022. So if the limit is 3, the Hawks could do only one more in 2021 and then another one in 2022. Found this on Cap Friendly:
What is a retained salary transaction/trade
When a team trades a player, they have the option to retain a part of their salary (and cap hit). The team who retains the salary then pays the retained percentage of the salary, and also retains the percentage of the cap hit until the contract expires. The following requirements must be met to retain salary:
The percentage retained cannot exceed 50 percent of the player’s salary (including all bonuses) and Salary Cap Hit.
The same percentage must be retained for both the player’s salary and Salary Cap Hit, and cannot be modified.
All teams are limited to a maximum of 3 retained salary contracts per season.
Teams cannot retain an aggregate amount of more than 15 percent of the Salary Cap Upper Limit.
Players’ contracts are limited to 2 retained salary transactions per contract.
so, in other words, they pretty much can't retain anything for any of the "core 4" until the 21-22 season? if i am reading this correctly, that is what I got out of it. |
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Post by vadarx on Oct 20, 2020 14:09:46 GMT -6
Some more in-depth conversation about the Hawks direction. Sounds like Colliton will be extended before the season starts too! oh joy
"it isn't a pivot,rather an extension of the Black Hawk's objective over the past two seasons" A "pivot" would take balls! "we're on the same path we were on last year"..........Squandering 20M+,our best D prospect and two high picks is a path? Who knew? "there's really no change in direction"....... NO SHIT! "the direction is not something that is a sea change for us"...... I'm sea sick at this point and I'm finding it real hard to follow this mess. We're gonna keep doin' the same nonsense we've been doin' but we just wanted to let you know that we also know we suck? How's that search for the new president going you bunch of hockey insight starved fools? well, if I am reading the cap friendly thing correctly, pretty much he cannot trade 19 or 88 at all this season unless the waive to go to Detroit (which, fucking shoot me now if this happens) because someone would have to take on their entire contract. next season they will able to retain half, though. so i guess maybe the draft is when he can start shopping them? I'm just gonna ASSume as well here that they are hoping one of them will agree to go to Seattle next June as well.... with us having to get them incentives as well.... |
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Post by hsbob on Oct 20, 2020 14:10:22 GMT -6
Yes, I would also retain salary for Toews. I think those deals get done. But now it seems Scambo gets a shot at screwing up for a 5th time!!! Don't quote me on this but I think a team can retain only 3 salaries concurrently. The Hawks have Saad and Maatta salary retained in 2021 and Maatta again in 2022. So if the limit is 3, the Hawks could do only one more in 2021 and then another one in 2022. Maata was our best D-man in the PO's with 6pts and a +7 in 9 games and worth his 4M,only a weak GM would have to retain anything in this instance since we got nothing back in the way of picks or prospects. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2020 14:10:34 GMT -6
Found this on Cap Friendly:
What is a retained salary transaction/trade
When a team trades a player, they have the option to retain a part of their salary (and cap hit). The team who retains the salary then pays the retained percentage of the salary, and also retains the percentage of the cap hit until the contract expires. The following requirements must be met to retain salary:
The percentage retained cannot exceed 50 percent of the player’s salary (including all bonuses) and Salary Cap Hit.
The same percentage must be retained for both the player’s salary and Salary Cap Hit, and cannot be modified.
All teams are limited to a maximum of 3 retained salary contracts per season.
Teams cannot retain an aggregate amount of more than 15 percent of the Salary Cap Upper Limit.
Players’ contracts are limited to 2 retained salary transactions per contract.
so, in other words, they pretty much can't retain anything for any of the "core 4" until the 21-22 season? if i am reading this correctly, that is what I got out of it. No, I think they can retain 1 this upcoming season, which would leave them with Saad, Maatta, and a 3rd. Next season Saad falls off so they can then retain 2 salaries (unless they do one of the core this season).
But what that does mean is Bowman has once again tied his hands by retaining any salary of Saad and Maatta.
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And good to be back.
