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May 30, 2022 10:04:13 GMT -6 BigT said:

I agree. The Hawks have had way too many failures. This is why you need hockey guys in the front office and not bean counters. It sucks that they can’t see a problem. If it weren’t for the previous hockey guys, the bean counter would have failed miserably from the get go.

I don’t think there’s much that the big club does in the way of development. The Hawks just seem to send them out and it’s on the players to perform. So I don’t see much developing on the big club and the AHL was always a disaster. Also guess who I ran into last night? Ted Dent. He’s now the coach of Flint Firebirds. They’re in a series (3rd round) with my Spitfires. There’s a bar that the players, billets, parents, coaches GMs, Scouts etc all hang out after the games in the WFCU Center. I didn’t really say much to him. He was talk with Big Bert (Bertuzzi) and his sons Tag got injured and he didn’t seem happy at all. Actually, he seems like the biggest dick to be honest. Our kids were trying to meet him and talk to him and he pretty much shunned them. So Will Cuylle spits captain stepped in and talked to the boys for 50th time this year. He seems classy and takes time for the kids. Not like the older Bertuzzi.

Anyways. Dent sucked for the Hogs and it seemed he got a free pass for many years. The last GM let it all slide and now the team is paying the price.

The only developing Dach ever needed was to head back to Jrs and get more experience. He played a total of 133 games in Jrs. That’s a year and a half total. And he only had 129 points. So roughly a point per game. Wyatt Johnston came back to the Spits this year. He had a meh year the year before, drafted in the first round. Came back and threw up a 124 point season. Dach who’s much bigger and supposedly better as a high pick. If he went back, Dach more than likely gets over a 100 points and takes his team to the playoffs. More than likely makes team Canada and develops just like every other kid!!!

You make it sound simple. If that is the case why do players like Strome who went back to juniors for 91games and 50 games in the A not develop enough to produce when he makes it to the NHL. I used Strome because his success is compared to Dach as #3 picks. Strome was 23 when he came here with 16 points in 48 NHL games and was 25 when he achieved 50% at the dot and people are willing to throw Dach under the bus at 21.

Not going to throw him under the bus, but strapped to the grill of the bus and if he doesn't climb to the top,

he'll be smashed like he is against the boards during the games.

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May 30, 2022 10:04:13 GMT -6 BigT said:

I agree. The Hawks have had way too many failures. This is why you need hockey guys in the front office and not bean counters. It sucks that they can’t see a problem. If it weren’t for the previous hockey guys, the bean counter would have failed miserably from the get go.

I don’t think there’s much that the big club does in the way of development. The Hawks just seem to send them out and it’s on the players to perform. So I don’t see much developing on the big club and the AHL was always a disaster. Also guess who I ran into last night? Ted Dent. He’s now the coach of Flint Firebirds. They’re in a series (3rd round) with my Spitfires. There’s a bar that the players, billets, parents, coaches GMs, Scouts etc all hang out after the games in the WFCU Center. I didn’t really say much to him. He was talk with Big Bert (Bertuzzi) and his sons Tag got injured and he didn’t seem happy at all. Actually, he seems like the biggest dick to be honest. Our kids were trying to meet him and talk to him and he pretty much shunned them. So Will Cuylle spits captain stepped in and talked to the boys for 50th time this year. He seems classy and takes time for the kids. Not like the older Bertuzzi.

Anyways. Dent sucked for the Hogs and it seemed he got a free pass for many years. The last GM let it all slide and now the team is paying the price.

The only developing Dach ever needed was to head back to Jrs and get more experience. He played a total of 133 games in Jrs. That’s a year and a half total. And he only had 129 points. So roughly a point per game. Wyatt Johnston came back to the Spits this year. He had a meh year the year before, drafted in the first round. Came back and threw up a 124 point season. Dach who’s much bigger and supposedly better as a high pick. If he went back, Dach more than likely gets over a 100 points and takes his team to the playoffs. More than likely makes team Canada and develops just like every other kid!!!

You make it sound simple. If that is the case why do players like Strome who went back to juniors for 91games and 50 games in the A not develop enough to produce when he makes it to the NHL. I used Strome because his success is compared to Dach as #3 picks. Strome was 23 when he came here with 16 points in 48 NHL games and was 25 when he achieved 50% at the dot and people are willing to throw Dach under the bus at 21.

It is simple. Very simple. Was he ready? Has he lived up to expectations (Dach we’re talking about)? I will save you the time. He wasn’t, he isn’t ready now.

I still for the life of me cannot understand why anyone says Dach is this stalwart on the defensive side of the puck? Did anyone not see Makar make him look like a pagan to the fire? How many times he’s lost his man in the Dzone and then scores. He loses a board battle and his check gets to the front of the net then scores. He was a minus -18 this past year.

Let’s just call this kid what he is. A ruined prospect. The team ruined him to make themselves look like genius’s. It failed worse than Scambo being named GM.

Strome has struggled cuz he was lazy. He was relying on his skill to get him anywhere. His skating is a wee bit better than Dachs. I don’t believe the two will have the same career path!!!

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All we heard how mentality tough he was and when pressed or challenged in his last junior year and playoffs and how he responded and raised his level of play. I remember the interview with Bowman when he spoke about what stood out about Dach as he was in the mix of 5 or 6 who would go after Hughes and Kakko. That something you cannot teach Bowman said. All we are asking is for him to learn to be not even an average faceoff player, just get it up to 40%.

Let's set some higher expectations for his own personal growth and quit "babying him". Sure, he would have benefited from one more year in junior and a stint in the AHL, but he is here now and let's challenge him to grow as player and if Bowman was correct how mentality tough he was he can handle the expectations.

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May 31, 2022 20:19:21 GMT -6 BigT said:

May 31, 2022 19:32:53 GMT -6 hsbob said:

Guys like Kampf figured out how to win half his draws and a maligned Strome worked his ass off to win over half of his,Dach might just not have the proper hand-eye coordination to win draws since he never has. It can't be ALL of his coaches so fas can it?

The kid looked good in the bubble and worked his way up to a career best 40% back in 20-21 only to regress to a career low 32.8% this year after a full camp and a healthy season till he hit a guy.

Hahaha. I just don’t know what it is with him and physicality. That Russian kid literally bumped into him and his wrist turned into a wet noodle. He hits a guy for once this year and gets what? A concussion, separated shoulder, sand in his vagina. I really wanna like the kid. I really do. A big western Canada boy, that plays like a millennial on a on a teeder todder.

I sure hope he finds something here. Because his brand of hockey is exactly what Scambo’s style was. He wanted kids that play a certain way, like they’re playing a friendly game of Shinny with a case of beer in the snow bank. I can understand the new management if they want to jettison ALL of Scambo’s assets. I think Dach gets dealt in a lateral move at the TDL. I really do!!!

Kirby went for the big open ice hit and instead of tucking his elbow to his body for maximum force led with his hands.

In your rants you say Stan did nothing but now it appears you are saying that Q was playing Stan's style of hockey. Which is it. Stan inherited Q and his coaching staff along with their systems. Q was completiy in charge of the bench. it was Kitchen who was alergic to hitting. It was Kitchen who wanted his defenders to stay to the outside digging with their sticks hoping for a quick breakout which required mobile defenders not heavyweights.

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You make it sound simple. If that is the case why do players like Strome who went back to juniors for 91games and 50 games in the A not develop enough to produce when he makes it to the NHL. I used Strome because his success is compared to Dach as #3 picks. Strome was 23 when he came here with 16 points in 48 NHL games and was 25 when he achieved 50% at the dot and people are willing to throw Dach under the bus at 21.

It is simple. Very simple. Was he ready? Has he lived up to expectations (Dach we’re talking about)? I will save you the time. He wasn’t, he isn’t ready now.

I still for the life of me cannot understand why anyone says Dach is this stalwart on the defensive side of the puck? Did anyone not see Makar make him look like a pagan to the fire? How many times he’s lost his man in the Dzone and then scores. He loses a board battle and his check gets to the front of the net then scores. He was a minus -18 this past year.

Let’s just call this kid what he is. A ruined prospect. The team ruined him to make themselves look like genius’s. It failed worse than Scambo being named GM.

Strome has struggled cuz he was lazy. He was relying on his skill to get him anywhere. His skating is a wee bit better than Dachs. I don’t believe the two will have the same career path!!!

C'mon T,you should be in a good mood.....your 'Spits' won tonight!LOL! Both teams have a nice Ranger's forward prospect.

I think Dach can be salvaged and I think his D's better than that but I don't see how anyone can accept 19 goals and 32.8% at the dot at this point from a #3 overall. I do wonder what his upside is and I hope to hell it's a lot better than what I suspect!

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Jun 1, 2022 22:50:59 GMT -6 hsbob said:

It is simple. Very simple. Was he ready? Has he lived up to expectations (Dach we’re talking about)? I will save you the time. He wasn’t, he isn’t ready now.

I still for the life of me cannot understand why anyone says Dach is this stalwart on the defensive side of the puck? Did anyone not see Makar make him look like a pagan to the fire? How many times he’s lost his man in the Dzone and then scores. He loses a board battle and his check gets to the front of the net then scores. He was a minus -18 this past year.

Let’s just call this kid what he is. A ruined prospect. The team ruined him to make themselves look like genius’s. It failed worse than Scambo being named GM.

Strome has struggled cuz he was lazy. He was relying on his skill to get him anywhere. His skating is a wee bit better than Dachs. I don’t believe the two will have the same career path!!!

C'mon T,you should be in a mood mood.....your 'Spits' won tonight!LOL! Both teams have a nice Ranger's forward prospect.

I think Dach can be salvaged and I think his D's better than that but I don't see how anyone can accept 19 goals and 32.8% at the dot at this point from a #3 overall. I do wonder what his upside is and I hope to hell it's a lot better than what I suspect!

I would love for him to pan out. However realistically, we’re looking at a 3rd year kid that regressed. His numbers weren’t any better than his rookie year two years ago. It’s hard to be upbeat even about his defense when Makar is the highlight of the year on him. The best defenders don’t get beat that bad. With his reach and size. He should be able to reach in on Makar and at least disrupt him a wee bit. But he got beat horribly. Ya it’s one play. But there were others.

I think some are saying he’s defensively sound to make up for his offensive dysfunctions. I do not see how any sane human can say that Dach is better than Dcat defensively, and obviously offensively.

After his rookie year, I said give him time. Now, it’s on him. No more excuses. I give him a two year show me deal. If I don’t see much, I’m trading him as there’s others to give chances too. More deserving kids. At this point we have to think of Dach as a 3rd round pick that has some size, and we’re hoping to find a diamond in the rough. If that draft was done over, where would Dach get picked? Of course hindsight is always perfect. But I’d have to think Dach is not in the top ten, and maybe even falls out of the first round. Im sure someone takes him in he 1st for his size, but it’s getting tougher and tougher to find excuses for him!!!

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You make it sound simple. If that is the case why do players like Strome who went back to juniors for 91games and 50 games in the A not develop enough to produce when he makes it to the NHL. I used Strome because his success is compared to Dach as #3 picks. Strome was 23 when he came here with 16 points in 48 NHL games and was 25 when he achieved 50% at the dot and people are willing to throw Dach under the bus at 21.

It is simple. Very simple. Was he ready? Has he lived up to expectations (Dach we’re talking about)? I will save you the time. He wasn’t, he isn’t ready now.

I still for the life of me cannot understand why anyone says Dach is this stalwart on the defensive side of the puck? Did anyone not see Makar make him look like a pagan to the fire? How many times he’s lost his man in the Dzone and then scores. He loses a board battle and his check gets to the front of the net then scores. He was a minus -18 this past year.

Let’s just call this kid what he is. A ruined prospect. The team ruined him to make themselves look like genius’s. It failed worse than Scambo being named GM.

Strome has struggled cuz he was lazy. He was relying on his skill to get him anywhere. His skating is a wee bit better than Dachs. I don’t believe the two will have the same career path!!!

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I agree that Makar made him look like a Andrei Zyuzin-like pylon there, but it's Makar (who is a great player) and it happens. After all, McJesus has made Duncan Keith look like Matthew Keith on occasion--and not just in 2018. And it's not like we weren't on the other end of that at one point--remember Toews undressing every Colorado player?

I don't think Dach is ruined (yet). He's not at Toews-level 3OA, but as-yet he's not Cam Barker, either. I think he might be salvageable, but the onus of that salvation has to be on Dach proper...

Jun 2, 2022 6:44:48 GMT -6 BigT said:

Jun 1, 2022 22:50:59 GMT -6 hsbob said:

C'mon T,you should be in a mood mood.....your 'Spits' won tonight!LOL! Both teams have a nice Ranger's forward prospect.

I think Dach can be salvaged and I think his D's better than that but I don't see how anyone can accept 19 goals and 32.8% at the dot at this point from a #3 overall. I do wonder what his upside is and I hope to hell it's a lot better than what I suspect!

I would love for him to pan out. However realistically, we’re looking at a 3rd year kid that regressed. His numbers weren’t any better than his rookie year two years ago. It’s hard to be upbeat even about his defense when Makar is the highlight of the year on him. The best defenders don’t get beat that bad. With his reach and size. He should be able to reach in on Makar and at least disrupt him a wee bit. But he got beat horribly. Ya it’s one play. But there were others.

I think some are saying he’s defensively sound to make up for his offensive dysfunctions. I do not see how any sane human can say that Dach is better than Dcat defensively, and obviously offensively.

After his rookie year, I said give him time. Now, it’s on him. No more excuses. I give him a two year show me deal. If I don’t see much, I’m trading him as there’s others to give chances too. More deserving kids. At this point we have to think of Dach as a 3rd round pick that has some size, and we’re hoping to find a diamond in the rough. If that draft was done over, where would Dach get picked? Of course hindsight is always perfect. But I’d have to think Dach is not in the top ten, and maybe even falls out of the first round. Im sure someone takes him in he 1st for his size, but it’s getting tougher and tougher to find excuses for him!!!

As said before, yes, they do. See also: Keith v. McJesus. Makar did indeed make Dach look bad, and Dach shouldn't have gotten walked, but even the best at times look bad. Even guys like Hossa and Datsyuk screwed the pooch at times.

Dach, while not Bolland-level defensively, is good enough defensively on any given play that he's not shooting the team in the foot every other play, which is more than we could say about DeHaan, Gus, McCabe for a sizable chunk of the year, Strome, Johnson, and most of the rest of the lineup. Yes, DCat's D fundamentals are more sound--but DCat is also older and DCat has the correct attitude--which I will admit is someone Dach can learn from.

I agree that being acceptable defensively not enough to carry him as the 3OA pick, but it's not a main complaint about him--his complete lack of O and lack of faceoff ability is of more pressing concern. He's still better than Sikura and Nylander ever were.

I also agree with a show-me deal, but I personally would cap it at a single year; 2 wouldn't kill me though. It ideally has to be somewhat cheap too. In fact, the only think that would make me want to match an offersheet is that the return would be poor if we let him go, but that's it. His numbers from 2020-2022 aren't that much better than Tyler Motte's from 2018-2020 and he only got a 1 year 975k show-me deal. I'd be cool with a 1.25M/1yr show-me. He hasn't shown much more than that.

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Any trade involving Dach should require an equally promising prospect the same age or younger coming back the other way.

If the Canadiens are truly interested, I would want Guhle back.

Trade Dach and Beaudin for Guhle, the late first round pick, and a 2nd round pick next year.

The idea of a rebuild is to get younger.

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personally, I am giving Dach a 2-3 year deal right now and seeing what he's got. let's see if adding his brother into the mix gets him going. I understand the idea of selling high now on him, but I think I'd rather take a chance once more on him. we have other players we can trade for picks and prospects.

I have a hard time giving up on a guy who has only been able to buy a beer for 6 months...

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personally, I am giving Dach a 2-3 year deal right now and seeing what he's got. let's see if adding his brother into the mix gets him going. I understand the idea of selling high now on him, but I think I'd rather take a chance once more on him. we have other players we can trade for picks and prospects.

I agree with this. However, I really really feel the new management wants to get rid of the old regimes players and the style they were aiming for. I believe it’s a whole different direction they’re aiming for. I don’t believe it’s personal. Just literally a new direction. And if they can get a piece they want, Dach will be gone. And I doubt they’d just give him away.

I’ve also heard rumours of Dach being a bit of a dick and not working on his game as much as he should be. The night life is getting more important I’m hearing. I know King brought that up. And I’ve heard some of the same shit. So maybe a change of scenery will be good for him!!!

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personally, I am giving Dach a 2-3 year deal right now and seeing what he's got. let's see if adding his brother into the mix gets him going. I understand the idea of selling high now on him, but I think I'd rather take a chance once more on him. we have other players we can trade for picks and prospects.

I agree with this. However, I really really feel the new management wants to get rid of the old regimes players and the style they were aiming for. I believe it’s a whole different direction they’re aiming for. I don’t believe it’s personal. Just literally a new direction. And if they can get a piece they want, Dach will be gone. And I doubt they’d just give him away.

I’ve also heard rumours of Dach being a bit of a dick and not working on his game as much as he should be. The night life is getting more important I’m hearing. I know King brought that up. And I’ve heard some of the same shit. So maybe a change of scenery will be good for him!!!

I can understand that. KD seems to want a different type of player/team. if someone makes a huge offer, he should surely listen.

I've heard the same. shocking, I tell ya. who could've guessed a country boy moving to the big city at 18 with pockets full of cash could get caught up with chasing tail..

he needs a new coach to come in and read him the riot act. it'd also be nice if a vet on the team, maybe one who got in trouble doing the same shit, might sit down with him as well...

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Jun 2, 2022 6:44:48 GMT -6 BigT said:

Jun 1, 2022 22:50:59 GMT -6 hsbob said:

C'mon T,you should be in a mood mood.....your 'Spits' won tonight!LOL! Both teams have a nice Ranger's forward prospect.

I think Dach can be salvaged and I think his D's better than that but I don't see how anyone can accept 19 goals and 32.8% at the dot at this point from a #3 overall. I do wonder what his upside is and I hope to hell it's a lot better than what I suspect!

I would love for him to pan out. However realistically, we’re looking at a 3rd year kid that regressed. His numbers weren’t any better than his rookie year two years ago. It’s hard to be upbeat even about his defense when Makar is the highlight of the year on him. The best defenders don’t get beat that bad. With his reach and size. He should be able to reach in on Makar and at least disrupt him a wee bit. But he got beat horribly. Ya it’s one play. But there were others.

I think some are saying he’s defensively sound to make up for his offensive dysfunctions. I do not see how any sane human can say that Dach is better than Dcat defensively, and obviously offensively.

After his rookie year, I said give him time. Now, it’s on him. No more excuses. I give him a two year show me deal. If I don’t see much, I’m trading him as there’s others to give chances too. More deserving kids. At this point we have to think of Dach as a 3rd round pick that has some size, and we’re hoping to find a diamond in the rough. If that draft was done over, where would Dach get picked? Of course hindsight is always perfect. But I’d have to think Dach is not in the top ten, and maybe even falls out of the first round. Im sure someone takes him in he 1st for his size, but it’s getting tougher and tougher to find excuses for him!!!

I would say the moves Makar made after he beat Dach was the highlight of the night. The best of defenders have a player slip away. At least he was there putting in the effort. If Dach was as bad defensively as you would have us believe he would not be on the PK. I as a sane individual am saying that Dach is better defensively than DeBrincat. To prove my sanity I have never said or even believed that Dach was > DeBrincat offensively.

I prefer to live in the now and make the best of it. Just imagine if there was a do-over in 2006 St Louis would draft Toews and they may have lifted our cups.

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Dach has certainly been underwhelming. If a team is willing to trade for him, it's because they see some untapped potential, in which case the Hawks should be able to see the same potential. The best case scenario is that he develops into something similar to Joel Erickson Ek of the Wild, who took a few years to get going, but now seems to have found his stride. At worst, Dach will become another Ethan Moreau or Daniel Cleary, high picks who were serviceable NHLers, but not stars. In any case, I don't see where it makes sense to trade Dach.

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Jun 2, 2022 12:24:19 GMT -6 vadarx said:

I agree with this. However, I really really feel the new management wants to get rid of the old regimes players and the style they were aiming for. I believe it’s a whole different direction they’re aiming for. I don’t believe it’s personal. Just literally a new direction. And if they can get a piece they want, Dach will be gone. And I doubt they’d just give him away.

I’ve also heard rumours of Dach being a bit of a dick and not working on his game as much as he should be. The night life is getting more important I’m hearing. I know King brought that up. And I’ve heard some of the same shit. So maybe a change of scenery will be good for him!!!

I can understand that. KD seems to want a different type of player/team. if someone makes a huge offer, he should surely listen.

I've heard the same. shocking, I tell ya. who could've guessed a country boy moving to the big city at 18 with pockets full of cash could get caught up with chasing tail..

he needs a new coach to come in a read him the riot act. it'd also be nice if a vet on the team, maybe one who got in trouble doing the same shit, might sit down with him as well...

Why not have his mom come stay with him, like the vet did.

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personally, I am giving Dach a 2-3 year deal right now and seeing what he's got. let's see if adding his brother into the mix gets him going. I understand the idea of selling high now on him, but I think I'd rather take a chance once more on him. we have other players we can trade for picks and prospects.

I have a hard time giving up on a guy who has only been able to buy a beer for 6 months...

See my reply to BigT

personally, I am giving Dach a 2-3 year deal right now and seeing what he's got. let's see if adding his brother into the mix gets him going. I understand the idea of selling high now on him, but I think I'd rather take a chance once more on him. we have other players we can trade for picks and prospects.

I agree with this. However, I really really feel the new management wants to get rid of the old regimes players and the style they were aiming for. I believe it’s a whole different direction they’re aiming for. I don’t believe it’s personal. Just literally a new direction. And if they can get a piece they want, Dach will be gone. And I doubt they’d just give him away.

I’ve also heard rumours of Dach being a bit of a dick and not working on his game as much as he should be. The night life is getting more important I’m hearing. I know King brought that up. And I’ve heard some of the same shit. So maybe a change of scenery will be good for him!!!

Personally, I'd go 1-2 years max, not 2-3. In my opinion a measured leveled of improvment for Dach should happen next season--like getting his FO% above 40. There's no reason to drag that experiment on longer than 2yr max; if Dach can't show improvement by the end of 2024, he likely won't by the end of 2025. Further, if he does improve off of a 1-2 year deal, it's not like the 'hawks won't have capspace to sign him.

Part of my previous points was hitting on your "not working on his game." Let's say for the sake of the argument that it's true and he has been shirking his responsibilities to practice and get better. That's all the more reason for him and the new coach (whoever that may be) to have a come unto Jesus moment with him and to keep the contract shorter rather than longer. If that rumor is true, it might light a fire underneath him using Nylander as an example.

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Dach has certainly been underwhelming. If a team is willing to trade for him, it's because they see some untapped potential, in which case the Hawks should be able to see the same potential. The best case scenario is that he develops into something similar to Joel Erickson Ek of the Wild, who took a few years to get going, but now seems to have found his stride. At worst, Dach will become another Ethan Moreau or Daniel Cleary, high picks who were serviceable NHLers, but not stars. In any case, I don't see where it makes sense to trade Dach.

In my opinion all trades by a competent GM have to balance what's being sent out and how can that loss be mitigated vs. what we're receiving and how that actually helps the team.

Unlike some players in the lineup, Dach in my opinion shouldn't be a capdump. He's too young at this point to sell to the glue factory and there is a good chance he can improve. As mvr stated, he have to get back something similar to what he is. In that case it would have to be a case of how well the 'hawks could mitigate Dach's loss (and at this point, as sad as it is, Dach's 2020-2022 numbers are similar to Tyler Motte's 2018-2020 numbers), vs what is coming in.

Guhle is an intriguing move since the 'hawks are weak at D (and will be until someone de facto hits), so he fills a need. This puts the 'hawks ever-so-slightly weaker at center, but centers develop quicker than D-men so this could be mitigated in the long run, especially in a rebuild.

But conversely, if the move was Dach for someone like Alex Nylander or Sikura? Forget it. We shouldn't be trading Dach simply to trade him.

Plus, in Dach's case (like BigT touched on) a change of scenery might do him good. Ladd was floundering on Carolina and Ruutu was floundering on the 'hawks. Even though Ruutu never became much more than he was, getting Ladd onto the 'hawks help his career a ton. The same might happen for Dach and might be a reason someone might show interest.

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You make it sound simple. If that is the case why do players like Strome who went back to juniors for 91games and 50 games in the A not develop enough to produce when he makes it to the NHL. I used Strome because his success is compared to Dach as #3 picks. Strome was 23 when he came here with 16 points in 48 NHL games and was 25 when he achieved 50% at the dot and people are willing to throw Dach under the bus at 21.

It is simple. Very simple. Was he ready? Has he lived up to expectations (Dach we’re talking about)? I will save you the time. He wasn’t, he isn’t ready now.

I still for the life of me cannot understand why anyone says Dach is this stalwart on the defensive side of the puck? Did anyone not see Makar make him look like a pagan to the fire? How many times he’s lost his man in the Dzone and then scores. He loses a board battle and his check gets to the front of the net then scores. He was a minus -18 this past year.

Let’s just call this kid what he is. A ruined prospect. The team ruined him to make themselves look like genius’s. It failed worse than Scambo being named GM.

Strome has struggled cuz he was lazy. He was relying on his skill to get him anywhere. His skating is a wee bit better than Dachs. I don’t believe the two will have the same career path!!!

Sorry T gotta disagree with you about the D part, If we are gonna breakdown how everyone plays D on 3 on 3 dont think that works well for anyone. But lets go back to that game 23-77-58 played together all game
And were matched up against McKinn all game, 29 didnt do anything for 60 min 77 and 23 were rewarded for this effort with a shift in OT. 2 games later the line is broken up and 77 is playing wing. If they think he
is ruined then trade him for a late first or early second pick. As I have said before I am not ready to give up on him time will tell.

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Jun 2, 2022 17:54:01 GMT -6 bigbarn27 said:

It is simple. Very simple. Was he ready? Has he lived up to expectations (Dach we’re talking about)? I will save you the time. He wasn’t, he isn’t ready now.

I still for the life of me cannot understand why anyone says Dach is this stalwart on the defensive side of the puck? Did anyone not see Makar make him look like a pagan to the fire? How many times he’s lost his man in the Dzone and then scores. He loses a board battle and his check gets to the front of the net then scores. He was a minus -18 this past year.

Let’s just call this kid what he is. A ruined prospect. The team ruined him to make themselves look like genius’s. It failed worse than Scambo being named GM.

Strome has struggled cuz he was lazy. He was relying on his skill to get him anywhere. His skating is a wee bit better than Dachs. I don’t believe the two will have the same career path!!!

Sorry T gotta disagree with you about the D part, If we are gonna breakdown how everyone plays D on 3 on 3 dont think that works well for anyone. But lets go back to that game 23-77-58 played together all game
And were matched up against McKinn all game, 29 didnt do anything for 60 min 77 and 23 were rewarded for this effort with a shift in OT. 2 games later the line is broken up and 77 is playing wing. If they think he
is ruined then trade him for a late first or early second pick. As I have said before I am not ready to give up on him time will tell.

Heyyyyy. We’re allowed to disagree. It makes the boards much better. I personally don’t think Dach is this stalwart that some are making him out to be. He’s been meh defensively. I would love for him to be a solid 200 foot player.

I was listening to a segment on Sportsnet called “Hey Burkie”. It’s an animated series with Jeff Marek and Brian Burke. The stories are epic. Hilarious. He was talking about when he was GM of Anaheim and he had Perry and Getzlaf to re-sign so he knew that Penner was going to get an offer sheet. So he explains why he had to make sure he signed Perry and Getzlaf. He says “Those 2 are 200’ players 82 games a year. Penner is a good player but a part time player, and not a 200’ player”. Right now I see Dach more in the Penner group then the Perry/Getzlaf group!!!

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Jun 2, 2022 19:39:11 GMT -6 BigT said:

Jun 2, 2022 17:54:01 GMT -6 bigbarn27 said:

Sorry T gotta disagree with you about the D part, If we are gonna breakdown how everyone plays D on 3 on 3 dont think that works well for anyone. But lets go back to that game 23-77-58 played together all game
And were matched up against McKinn all game, 29 didnt do anything for 60 min 77 and 23 were rewarded for this effort with a shift in OT. 2 games later the line is broken up and 77 is playing wing. If they think he
is ruined then trade him for a late first or early second pick. As I have said before I am not ready to give up on him time will tell.

Heyyyyy. We’re allowed to disagree. It makes the boards much better. I personally don’t think Dach is this stalwart that some are making him out to be. He’s been meh defensively. I would love for him to be a solid 200 foot player.

I was listening to a segment on Sportsnet called “Hey Burkie”. It’s an animated series with Jeff Marek and Brian Burke. The stories are epic. Hilarious. He was talking about when he was GM of Anaheim and he had Perry and Getzlaf to re-sign so he knew that Penner was going to get an offer sheet. So he explains why he had to make sure he signed Perry and Getzlaf. He says “Those 2 are 200’ players 82 games a year. Penner is a good player but a part time player, and not a 200’ player”. Right now I see Dach more in the Penner group then the Perry/Getzlaf group!!!

And the right move by Burke

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Jun 2, 2022 12:24:19 GMT -6 vadarx said:

I can understand that. KD seems to want a different type of player/team. if someone makes a huge offer, he should surely listen.

I've heard the same. shocking, I tell ya. who could've guessed a country boy moving to the big city at 18 with pockets full of cash could get caught up with chasing tail..

he needs a new coach to come in a read him the riot act. it'd also be nice if a vet on the team, maybe one who got in trouble doing the same shit, might sit down with him as well...

Why not have his mom come stay with him, like the vet did.

that might also work.

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