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Post by hsbob on Dec 30, 2020 12:04:21 GMT -6
He could have had Covid, and now has lingering issues. I was never diagnosed with it, but I’m quite sure we had that running through here earlier this year and symptoms stayed for a long long time after. I had a cough for about 8-9 weeks where I though I broke ribs. We had a kid on our hockey team get “pneumonia” in November of 19. It spread horribly through our room and most people I know probably had it, but they didn’t start testing till March and it was very tough to get a test. I knew of a lot of people that had been diagnosed with “pneumonia”. My point is that this thing has been running wild and free a lot longer than we think. Maybe Toews was a symptomatic and now he’s seeing other problems from it as time moves on? I also have periods of total lethargy, but if I don’t work......... Hopefully this thing passes for him. Like the ole saying, you can have all the money in the world, but if you don’t have health!!! There are an increasing number of stories about the "long-termers" which is the term used to describe the serious symptoms still experienced by those infected by Covid months after they started testing negative. I read about people who get exhausted after making their beds. Yikes-----that is really nasty. Saw a 60 minutes segment on the Covid "long haulers",one physical trainer in her 30's and a woman in her 40's who ran a marathon the year before......... both are gassed now just walking from their car to their desk and it's been months since their so called recovery. Not speculatin'.....just something I saw. The only thing I do know is Toews looked real fit and real healthy the last time I saw him play back in August for what that's worth. GOD SPEED AND FULL RECOVERIES TO JONATHAN TOEWS,KIRBY DACH AND ALEX NYLANDER! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2020 16:28:34 GMT -6
Sadly, I agree. Again, nto trying to be alarmist and I am no doctor but if they're having trouble diagnosing it's not good. If he had Covid between end of their bubble stay and now and was having long-term effects (very possible) there's no reason for the to hide that or keep it secretive, it's well known that can happen with this virus. Yoan Moncada, the 25-year-old White sox 3B, had Covid before their season started and even as it was ending was still saying he had conditioning issues cause of it. I remember there were some games later in the season he had hit triples and after he got into third he was absolutely winded. One time had to go back and sit in dugout for several minutes before he could go back out to field again. He could have had Covid, and now has lingering issues. I was never diagnosed with it, but I’m quite sure we had that running through here earlier this year and symptoms stayed for a long long time after. I had a cough for about 8-9 weeks where I though I broke ribs. We had a kid on our hockey team get “pneumonia” in November of 19. It spread horribly through our room and most people I know probably had it, but they didn’t start testing till March and it was very tough to get a test. I knew of a lot of people that had been diagnosed with “pneumonia”. My point is that this thing has been running wild and free a lot longer than we think. Maybe Toews was a symptomatic and now he’s seeing other problems from it as time moves on? I also have periods of total lethargy, but if I don’t work......... Hopefully this thing passes for him. Like the ole saying, you can have all the money in the world, but if you don’t have health!!! He very well could have. I know all about the "long haulers" and what they go through and how it could be even a great world-class athlete. Doesn't matter who gets it. But, if it was Covid related, why not just say it? It's not like there's a stigma around getting COVID like HIV/Aids in the late 80s/early 90s. Just be honest. "I tested positive for the virus (insert date) and after recovering I have not been able to shake fatigue/breathing issue/etc. and need more time to get right." Why say doctors are still working to figure out what I am dealing with? Not a huge deal, just saying it would make no sense to hide Covid-related issues. Regardless of what it winds up being I hope it's nothing too serious and he's able to make a complete recovery soon. |
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Post by BigT on Dec 30, 2020 20:13:48 GMT -6
He could have had Covid, and now has lingering issues. I was never diagnosed with it, but I’m quite sure we had that running through here earlier this year and symptoms stayed for a long long time after. I had a cough for about 8-9 weeks where I though I broke ribs. We had a kid on our hockey team get “pneumonia” in November of 19. It spread horribly through our room and most people I know probably had it, but they didn’t start testing till March and it was very tough to get a test. I knew of a lot of people that had been diagnosed with “pneumonia”. My point is that this thing has been running wild and free a lot longer than we think. Maybe Toews was a symptomatic and now he’s seeing other problems from it as time moves on? I also have periods of total lethargy, but if I don’t work......... Hopefully this thing passes for him. Like the ole saying, you can have all the money in the world, but if you don’t have health!!! He very well could have. I know all about the "long haulers" and what they go through and how it could be even a great world-class athlete. Doesn't matter who gets it. But, if it was Covid related, why not just say it? It's not like there's a stigma around getting COVID like HIV/Aids in the late 80s/early 90s. Just be honest. "I tested positive for the virus (insert date) and after recovering I have not been able to shake fatigue/breathing issue/etc. and need more time to get right." Why say doctors are still working to figure out what I am dealing with? Not a huge deal, just saying it would make no sense to hide Covid-related issues. Regardless of what it winds up being I hope it's nothing too serious and he's able to make a complete recovery soon. I was just thinking he never got tested, due to being a symptomatic. But now he’s getting symptoms months later. Hopefully it’s just something like that. Cuz last time we heard about someone being lethargic and passing out etc. It was Bickell, and that’s not what we’re hoping for hear. So here’s a cheers to a much better New Years! Happy New Year to all!!! |
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Post by jacksalmon on Dec 30, 2020 21:41:31 GMT -6
He very well could have. I know all about the "long haulers" and what they go through and how it could be even a great world-class athlete. Doesn't matter who gets it. But, if it was Covid related, why not just say it? It's not like there's a stigma around getting COVID like HIV/Aids in the late 80s/early 90s. Just be honest. "I tested positive for the virus (insert date) and after recovering I have not been able to shake fatigue/breathing issue/etc. and need more time to get right." Why say doctors are still working to figure out what I am dealing with? Not a huge deal, just saying it would make no sense to hide Covid-related issues. Regardless of what it winds up being I hope it's nothing too serious and he's able to make a complete recovery soon. I was just thinking he never got tested, due to being a symptomatic. But now he’s getting symptoms months later. Hopefully it’s just something like that. Cuz last time we heard about someone being lethargic and passing out etc. It was Bickell, and that’s not what we’re hoping for hear. So here’s a cheers to a much better New Years! Happy New Year to all!!! Hey, I am not saying you are wrong about that Dr. T. But, that would be a new one. Start off infected, but asymptomatic. Then, months later, the symptoms come on real strong and are very debilitating. Who knows, this stuff strikes people in different ways, like the folks with no underlying medical conditions and in good shape, who just drop dead from Covid in their late 30s and early 40s. It's no wonder my only trips outside are for exercise, fishing and groceries. Otherwise, it's good to have TV and books. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Dec 30, 2020 22:27:04 GMT -6
if i had to bet, i'd say it's covid related and it's affecting his heart.
any other year than this one, i wouldn't even try to guess.
it's just too big of a coincidence that an athletic health freak like our captain contracts a mystery ailment while a pandemic ravages the planet.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2020 23:00:59 GMT -6
I was just thinking he never got tested, due to being a symptomatic. But now he’s getting symptoms months later. Hopefully it’s just something like that. Cuz last time we heard about someone being lethargic and passing out etc. It was Bickell, and that’s not what we’re hoping for hear. So here’s a cheers to a much better New Years! Happy New Year to all!!! Hey, I am not saying you are wrong about that Dr. T. But, that would be a new one. Start off infected, but asymptomatic. Then, months later, the symptoms come on real strong and are very debilitating. Who knows, this stuff strikes people in different ways, like the folks with no underlying medical conditions and in good shape, who just drop dead from Covid in their late 30s and early 40s. It's no wonder my only trips outside are for exercise, fishing and groceries. Otherwise, it's good to have TV and books. I am reading a lot of medical journals and the asymptomatic are not immune from long-term effects. While they are spared the death and the pain of the symptoms from this thing MANY who never had it are finding issues occurring months later, ranging from heart/kidney/lung issues to brain issues to teeth falling out and hair coming out in chunks. That's when they find out they had it and never showed the normal fever/cough/body aches/loss of smell and taste others did. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2020 23:02:41 GMT -6
if i had to bet, i'd say it's covid related and it's affecting his heart. any other year than this one, i wouldn't even try to guess. it's just too big of a coincidence that an athletic health freak like our captain contracts a mystery ailment while a pandemic ravages the planet. Could very well be right, the Red Sox ace pitcher Eduardo Rodriguez, age 27, missed the entire 60-game season due to a heart condition from Covid. He had the virus, mild case he said, came back and tried to pitch and had some issue with his heart and they told him he needs to take the season off. Not sure what his future holds and if it goes away eventually or gets better with treatment but yeah not good at all. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Dec 31, 2020 8:20:21 GMT -6
He very well could have. I know all about the "long haulers" and what they go through and how it could be even a great world-class athlete. Doesn't matter who gets it. But, if it was Covid related, why not just say it? It's not like there's a stigma around getting COVID like HIV/Aids in the late 80s/early 90s. Just be honest. "I tested positive for the virus (insert date) and after recovering I have not been able to shake fatigue/breathing issue/etc. and need more time to get right." Why say doctors are still working to figure out what I am dealing with? Not a huge deal, just saying it would make no sense to hide Covid-related issues. Regardless of what it winds up being I hope it's nothing too serious and he's able to make a complete recovery soon. Happy New Year to all!!! same to you. i don't think i've made a midnight in 20 years. there's well under 3 hours to go here for new year's but i don't believe i'll break that record tonight. hny Big T, and to the rest of you sorry lot here. our record might be worse this year but everything else should be better. : ) |
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Post by hsbob on Dec 31, 2020 8:49:51 GMT -6
I was just thinking he never got tested, due to being a symptomatic. But now he’s getting symptoms months later. Hopefully it’s just something like that. Cuz last time we heard about someone being lethargic and passing out etc. It was Bickell, and that’s not what we’re hoping for hear. So here’s a cheers to a much better New Years! Happy New Year to all!!! Hey, I am not saying you are wrong about that Dr. T. But, that would be a new one. Start off infected, but asymptomatic. Then, months later, the symptoms come on real strong and are very debilitating. Who knows, this stuff strikes people in different ways, like the folks with no underlying medical conditions and in good shape, who just drop dead from Covid in their late 30s and early 40s. It's no wonder my only trips outside are for exercise, fishing and groceries. Otherwise, it's good to have TV and books. FISHING? LUCKY BASTARD!LOFL! My only trips outside are for groceries and to chop my way through 4-5 inches of snow and a very durable coating of ice! HAPPY NEW TO YOU AND ALL THE MEMBERS! |
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Post by hsbob on Dec 31, 2020 8:51:53 GMT -6
same to you. i don't think i've made a midnight in 20 years. there's well under 3 hours to go here for new year's but i don't believe i'll break that string record tonight. hny Big T, and to the rest of you sorry lot here. our record might be worse this year but everything else should be better. : ) You've already kicked 2020 to the curb haven't you? Here's to a happy,healthy and prosperous 2021! |
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Post by galaxytrash on Dec 31, 2020 8:54:26 GMT -6
same to you. i don't think i've made a midnight in 20 years. there's well under 3 hours to go here for new year's but i don't believe i'll break that string record tonight. hny Big T, and to the rest of you sorry lot here. our record might be worse this year but everything else should be better. : ) You've already kicked 2020 to the curb haven't you? Here's to a happy,healthy and prosperous 2021! 2 hours and 8 minutes left. i have my doubts i'll make it. same to you mate. |
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Post by hsbob on Dec 31, 2020 9:16:35 GMT -6
Random thought on the Toews illness situation. Instead of speculating,here's what I do know,Toews looked as rested,fit and ready to go as a guy could when bubble play resumed last summer. The only other player to benefit as much from the Covid layoff was Dach......JT looked like his old self against the Oil.
edit: I'm not going anywhere with this,just an observation.
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Post by ebonyraptor on Dec 31, 2020 10:54:12 GMT -6
Happy New Year my fellow Hawks fans. May it be healthy and prosperous for you all.
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Post by jacksalmon on Dec 31, 2020 12:57:13 GMT -6
Hey, I am not saying you are wrong about that Dr. T. But, that would be a new one. Start off infected, but asymptomatic. Then, months later, the symptoms come on real strong and are very debilitating. Who knows, this stuff strikes people in different ways, like the folks with no underlying medical conditions and in good shape, who just drop dead from Covid in their late 30s and early 40s. It's no wonder my only trips outside are for exercise, fishing and groceries. Otherwise, it's good to have TV and books. I am reading a lot of medical journals and the asymptomatic are not immune from long-term effects. While they are spared the death and the pain of the symptoms from this thing MANY who never had it are finding issues occurring months later, ranging from heart/kidney/lung issues to brain issues to teeth falling out and hair coming out in chunks. That's when they find out they had it and never showed the normal fever/cough/body aches/loss of smell and taste others did. There we go, more evidence that this Covid bug can produce strange medical responses. It is one thing to feel bad and get a positive test at the onset. It is quite another to not know one is infected and months later experience symptoms that can't be understood as to their origin with no definitive diagnosis or course of treatment ala Mr. Toews, perhaps. |
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Post by vadarx on Dec 31, 2020 14:59:21 GMT -6
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Post by BigT on Dec 31, 2020 15:07:20 GMT -6
same to you. i don't think i've made a midnight in 20 years. there's well under 3 hours to go here for new year's but i don't believe i'll break that record tonight. hny Big T, and to the rest of you sorry lot here. our record might be worse this year but everything else should be better. : ) Hahahahaha. Fun times tonight I tell ya! I’m going to this rager tonight with over 200 people........ is what I would have said in years past. Tonight is a very small gathering. Literally 5 people. Trying to keep it safe, but not for the liver. I’m still happy for these boards. They worked out well. This should be a different kind of year. I remember I joined the old boards in April of 2006. Those times seem to be staring at us again. This may be one of the worst years a team has seen in a long long time. And that’s actually being optimistic. No CC, Toews, Dach, Maatta, etc. Now add in the dumpster dives to replace them, I fear if last years team wasn’t good enough, this years team is on its way to 8 wins all year in the 56 game schedule. But....... Happy New Years!!! |
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Post by T-man2010 on Dec 31, 2020 16:34:48 GMT -6
same to you. i don't think i've made a midnight in 20 years. there's well under 3 hours to go here for new year's but i don't believe i'll break that record tonight. hny Big T, and to the rest of you sorry lot here. our record might be worse this year but everything else should be better. : ) Hahahahaha. Fun times tonight I tell ya! I’m going to this rager tonight with over 200 people........ is what I would have said in years past. Tonight is a very small gathering. Literally 5 people. Trying to keep it safe, but not for the liver. I’m still happy for these boards. They worked out well. This should be a different kind of year. I remember I joined the old boards in April of 2006. Those times seem to be staring at us again. This may be one of the worst years a team has seen in a long long time. And that’s actually being optimistic. No CC, Toews, Dach, Maatta, etc. Now add in the dumpster dives to replace them, I fear if last years team wasn’t good enough, this years team is on its way to 8 wins all year in the 56 game schedule. But....... Happy New Years!!! We can only dream for that outcome next season. |
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Post by acesandeights on Jan 1, 2021 8:43:15 GMT -6
same to you. i don't think i've made a midnight in 20 years. there's well under 3 hours to go here for new year's but i don't believe i'll break that record tonight. hny Big T, and to the rest of you sorry lot here. our record might be worse this year but everything else should be better. : ) Hahahahaha. Fun times tonight I tell ya! I’m going to this rager tonight with over 200 people........ is what I would have said in years past. Tonight is a very small gathering. Literally 5 people. Trying to keep it safe, but not for the liver. I’m still happy for these boards. They worked out well. This should be a different kind of year. I remember I joined the old boards in April of 2006. Those times seem to be staring at us again. This may be one of the worst years a team has seen in a long long time. And that’s actually being optimistic. No CC, Toews, Dach, Maatta, etc. Now add in the dumpster dives to replace them, I fear if last years team wasn’t good enough, this years team is on its way to 8 wins all year in the 56 game schedule. But.......Happy New Years!!! Are you saying other teams aren't going to be intimidated by Strome, Soderberg, one of the Swedes or Smith and Kampf down the middle?  A bad season would make for some good discussions on here before the draft, when everyone could talk about which high level prospect the Hawks should take. You know what would probably happen though; the Hawks would end up picking a slot too late. They would probably end up picking something like 5th in a four man draft or 6th in a five man draft. Kind of like this past draft when they ended up six slots too late for Askarov and one slot too late for Kaiden Guhle. We ended up with Reichel so hopefully he will come through. |
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Post by ebonyraptor on Jan 1, 2021 11:51:46 GMT -6
I expect more from the Hawks than merely 1 season of suckage. I'm thinking at least 2 seasons of bottom feeding, if not 3 seasons. The Hawks should be in position to select Owen Power in 2021 and Brad Lambert in 2022. And - if Stan follows my advice and finds a way to wrestle Cozens away from Buffalo in a Kane trade - the Hawks core of the future would be pretty well in place going into the 2022/23 season: Dach, Cozens, Lambert, Reichel, DeBrincat, Kubalik, Boqvist, Mitchell and Power.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2021 13:11:30 GMT -6
I expect more from the Hawks than merely 1 season of suckage. I'm thinking at least 2 seasons of bottom feeding, if not 3 seasons. The Hawks should be in position to select Owen Power in 2021 and Brad Lambert in 2022. And - if Stan follows my advice and finds a way to wrestle Cozens away from Buffalo in a Kane trade - the Hawks core of the future would be pretty well in place going into the 2022/23 season: Dach, Cozens, Lambert, Reichel, DeBrincat, Kubalik, Boqvist, Mitchell and Power. I don't know much about Owen Power but at 6'5" and 215 with that name I'm all in. Problem is that's 6-5 and not 5-6 so he's a solid 5-12 inches taller and 65-80 pounds heavier than Stan likes |
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Post by BigT on Jan 1, 2021 22:24:07 GMT -6
I expect more from the Hawks than merely 1 season of suckage. I'm thinking at least 2 seasons of bottom feeding, if not 3 seasons. The Hawks should be in position to select Owen Power in 2021 and Brad Lambert in 2022. And - if Stan follows my advice and finds a way to wrestle Cozens away from Buffalo in a Kane trade - the Hawks core of the future would be pretty well in place going into the 2022/23 season: Dach, Cozens, Lambert, Reichel, DeBrincat, Kubalik, Boqvist, Mitchell and Power. Keep your eyes and ears open for Shane Wright. This kid is absolutely the next big thing. He. And in as a 15 year old, averaged over a point per game, and to top it off, the kid was named captain in his first year for Kingston. His draft year is 2022. He’s gonna put up massive numbers and everyone will be drooling to draft him. Another good one is Connor Bedard. He’s 15 right now and just got exceptional status to play for the Regina Pats. I believe he was the first 15 year old to get the chance to play in the WHL. There’s some really good kids coming, there’s a couple young ones in the WJC too. So hopefully there isn’t two dead drafts in a row!!! |
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Post by nighbor on Jan 2, 2021 0:24:56 GMT -6
I expect more from the Hawks than merely 1 season of suckage. I'm thinking at least 2 seasons of bottom feeding, if not 3 seasons. The Hawks should be in position to select Owen Power in 2021 and Brad Lambert in 2022. And - if Stan follows my advice and finds a way to wrestle Cozens away from Buffalo in a Kane trade - the Hawks core of the future would be pretty well in place going into the 2022/23 season: Dach, Cozens, Lambert, Reichel, DeBrincat, Kubalik, Boqvist, Mitchell and Power. I don't know much about Owen Power but at 6'5" and 215 with that name I'm all in. Problem is that's 6-5 and not 5-6 so he's a solid 5-12 inches taller and 65-80 pounds heavier than Stan likes Beau Starrett 6.05, 215 drafted in 2014 and Radovan Bondra 6.05, 215 drafted in 2015. |
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Post by BigT on Jan 2, 2021 10:31:20 GMT -6
I don't know much about Owen Power but at 6'5" and 215 with that name I'm all in. Problem is that's 6-5 and not 5-6 so he's a solid 5-12 inches taller and 65-80 pounds heavier than Stan likes Beau Starrett 6.05, 215 drafted in 2014 and Radovan Bondra 6.05, 215 drafted in 2015. True. But I think he’s more referring to higher end picks. Every team throws a dart at the big guy board in the 4,5,6,7 rounds as they’re most unlikely to make it!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2021 13:26:11 GMT -6
I don't know much about Owen Power but at 6'5" and 215 with that name I'm all in. Problem is that's 6-5 and not 5-6 so he's a solid 5-12 inches taller and 65-80 pounds heavier than Stan likes Beau Starrett 6.05, 215 drafted in 2014 and Radovan Bondra 6.05, 215 drafted in 2015. 2 guys out of roughly 70 picks doesn't refute my point and as T acknowledged I am more referring to earlier picks where stan has repeatedly had a chance to draft a bigger kid and went for the much smaller one instead... on a team already full of small guys |
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Post by T-man2010 on Jan 2, 2021 13:38:50 GMT -6
Beau Starrett 6.05, 215 drafted in 2014 and Radovan Bondra 6.05, 215 drafted in 2015. 2 guys out of roughly 70 picks doesn't refute my point and as T acknowledged I am more referring to earlier picks where stan has repeatedly had a chance to draft a bigger kid and went for the much smaller one instead... on a team already full of small guys As much as we know SB knows little of hockey players, I will toss most of the blame on the scouting staff. They are the ones that scout and tell SB who are their fav's. Then SB goes on a little road trip and watches a couple games of these kids and see's what he is told. Basically I'm saying is the entire ORG. needs revamping, top to bottom. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Jan 2, 2021 14:31:54 GMT -6
2 guys out of roughly 70 picks doesn't refute my point and as T acknowledged I am more referring to earlier picks where stan has repeatedly had a chance to draft a bigger kid and went for the much smaller one instead... on a team already full of small guys As much as we know SB knows little of hockey players, I will toss most of the blame on the scouting staff. They are the ones that scout and tell SB who are their fav's. Then SB goes on a little road trip and watches a couple games of these kids and see's what he is told. Basically I'm saying is the entire ORG. needs revamping, top to bottom. There is no doubt that good draft picks are the best way to rebuild. However, even that does not guarantee success. Just ask any Oiler fan about how Connor McDavid led the Oilers to victory over the Hawks in the bubble's play-in series this past summer. The Hawks will suck for a very long time, unless as you have suggested, there is a complete revamping from top to bottom. The revamping includes trading Toews, Kane and Keith. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2021 16:36:33 GMT -6
2 guys out of roughly 70 picks doesn't refute my point and as T acknowledged I am more referring to earlier picks where stan has repeatedly had a chance to draft a bigger kid and went for the much smaller one instead... on a team already full of small guys As much as we know SB knows little of hockey players, I will toss most of the blame on the scouting staff. They are the ones that scout and tell SB who are their fav's. Then SB goes on a little road trip and watches a couple games of these kids and see's what he is told. Basically I'm saying is the entire ORG. needs revamping, top to bottom. Spot on. Fresh set of eyes, new approach would help. Unfortunately that isn't coming anytime soon it appears. I guess I tend to blame the GM more than those underneath him much like the president (at any point in history) gets the blame for anything that goes wrong. While the president may have made a decision listening to the chief of staff or a cabinet member, he hired/installed those people and ultimately the buck stops with him. The GM hires scouts and talent evaluators. If they keep swinging and missing, ultimately that SHOULD all fall on the GM. |
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Post by acesandeights on Jan 2, 2021 18:55:31 GMT -6
2 guys out of roughly 70 picks doesn't refute my point and as T acknowledged I am more referring to earlier picks where stan has repeatedly had a chance to draft a bigger kid and went for the much smaller one instead... on a team already full of small guys Then SB goes on a little road trip and watches a couple games of these kids and see's what he is told. Basically I'm saying is the entire ORG. needs revamping, top to bottom. Finally, someone that sees how the scouting and drafting process leading up to draft day actually unfolds. The scouts in NA and Europe are the ones that watch these kids over time, form their evaluations and then they have numerous meetings headed up by Mark Kelley where they go over these prospects and start paring down their targets for various picks for draft day. Remember the video that came out after the draft of the remote held meeting with Mark Kelley really the main one leading the discussions about prospects, not Stan? As you mention, Stan isn't a talent evaluator and personnel man; on draft day he just announces the first pick that has been decided on collectively by everyone involved. I would agree with you about the scouting staff should get their share of blame if the FO and coaches feel the system isn't producing enough NHL level players (not saying top level necessarily but at least NHL capable) and too many aren't panning out. It all starts with scouting. (I know there are other factors at work in this but that's another discussion.) |
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Post by BigT on Jan 3, 2021 6:33:56 GMT -6
As much as we know SB knows little of hockey players, I will toss most of the blame on the scouting staff. They are the ones that scout and tell SB who are their fav's. Then SB goes on a little road trip and watches a couple games of these kids and see's what he is told. Basically I'm saying is the entire ORG. needs revamping, top to bottom. Finally, someone that sees how the scouting and drafting process leading up to draft day actually unfolds. The scouts in NA and Europe are the ones that watch these kids over time, form their evaluations and then they have numerous meetings headed up by Mark Kelley where they go over these prospects and start paring down their targets for various picks for draft day. Remember the video that came out after the draft of the remote held meeting with Mark Kelley really the main one leading the discussions about prospects, not Stan? As you mention, Stan isn't a talent evaluator and personnel man; on draft day he just announces the first pick that has been decided on collectively by everyone involved. I would agree with you about the scouting staff should get their share of blame if the FO and coaches feel the system isn't producing enough NHL level players (not saying top level necessarily but at least NHL capable) and too many aren't panning out. It all starts with scouting. (I know there are other factors at work in this but that's another discussion.) Did you not watch the latest Hawks video on the draft? Mark Kelley basically ran the thing, at the Hawks pick, they had a list narrowed down, and Mark asked Stan...... “who’s your guy”? Stan clearly made the choice that he wanted Lucas Reichel due to his skill and he has a very high ceiling. I’m not sure how that’s all on the scouting staff? Those are guys that Stan scouted personally when the Hawks played Reichel’s team in Europe. Stan said so himself. If the final decision is the GMs, and he keeps missing, where does the blame lie? And if it truly was the scouting staffs problem, it’s still the GMs problem cuz he doesn’t get rid of them and allows them another year of failure. Now, the farm system hasn’t produced much either. Sure the scouting staff can blame them and the farm can blame the scouting staff for not getting good enough players. However, while all this was going on, Stan allowed this to all unfold. Hence, he’s not a hockey guy. He shouldn’t be in there. Now, this is no longer on Bowman as all he does is fail, it’s on his bosses. The organization from the top down is weak. It will continue on o be weak until the madness up top ends. If any really feels that Stan Bowman is going to magically learn how to GM, it won’t happen. A Wirtz is a Wirtz is a Wirtz. They don’t change. Does anyone really think that Stan got a promotion? He’s doing the work of 2 people for the same wage. I guarantee it. He may have gotten a wee bump in pay but he’s under contract and if he wants to keep it, he’s gotta work his way out of it. Now, it’s almost impossible to be a coach/GM. It’s even harder to be a GM/President. I heard an interview with Brian Burke about his time as President of the Flames. He said that his duties would be to take a lot of the burden off of the GM (Treliving) so he could focus on hockey more. He said there’s a lot of duties a GM has to do and Burke would handle a lot of them so he could be laser focused on the draft, TDL and summer UFAs etc. So at the end of the day. If the GM fails at most aspects of his job ( scouting staff, farm team, etc) they will not be successful. If they’re not successful, that’s on his bosses to decide the future!!! |
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Post by acesandeights on Jan 3, 2021 10:28:43 GMT -6
Finally, someone that sees how the scouting and drafting process leading up to draft day actually unfolds. The scouts in NA and Europe are the ones that watch these kids over time, form their evaluations and then they have numerous meetings headed up by Mark Kelley where they go over these prospects and start paring down their targets for various picks for draft day. Remember the video that came out after the draft of the remote held meeting with Mark Kelley really the main one leading the discussions about prospects, not Stan? As you mention, Stan isn't a talent evaluator and personnel man; on draft day he just announces the first pick that has been decided on collectively by everyone involved. I would agree with you about the scouting staff should get their share of blame if the FO and coaches feel the system isn't producing enough NHL level players (not saying top level necessarily but at least NHL capable) and too many aren't panning out. It all starts with scouting. (I know there are other factors at work in this but that's another discussion.) Did you not watch the latest Hawks video on the draft? Mark Kelley basically ran the thing, at the Hawks pick, they had a list narrowed down, and Mark asked Stan...... “who’s your guy”? Stan clearly made the choice that he wanted Lucas Reichel due to his skill and he has a very high ceiling. I’m not sure how that’s all on the scouting staff? Those are guys that Stan scouted personally when the Hawks played Reichel’s team in Europe. Stan said so himself. If the final decision is the GMs, and he keeps missing, where does the blame lie? And if it truly was the scouting staffs problem, it’s still the GMs problem cuz he doesn’t get rid of them and allows them another year of failure. Now, the farm system hasn’t produced much either. Sure the scouting staff can blame them and the farm can blame the scouting staff for not getting good enough players. However, while all this was going on, Stan allowed this to all unfold. Hence, he’s not a hockey guy. He shouldn’t be in there. Now, this is no longer on Bowman as all he does is fail, it’s on his bosses. The organization from the top down is weak. It will continue on o be weak until the madness up top ends. If any really feels that Stan Bowman is going to magically learn how to GM, it won’t happen. A Wirtz is a Wirtz is a Wirtz. They don’t change. Does anyone really think that Stan got a promotion? He’s doing the work of 2 people for the same wage. I guarantee it. He may have gotten a wee bump in pay but he’s under contract and if he wants to keep it, he’s gotta work his way out of it. Now, it’s almost impossible to be a coach/GM. It’s even harder to be a GM/President. I heard an interview with Brian Burke about his time as President of the Flames. He said that his duties would be to take a lot of the burden off of the GM (Treliving) so he could focus on hockey more. He said there’s a lot of duties a GM has to do and Burke would handle a lot of them so he could be laser focused on the draft, TDL and summer UFAs etc. So at the end of the day. If the GM fails at most aspects of his job ( scouting staff, farm team, etc) they will not be successful. If they’re not successful, that’s on his bosses to decide the future!!! Did you not see the video where Stan asked Kelley (I think it was a clip from the virtual draft) if he wanted the defenseman or the skilled forward? Kelley answered the skilled forward due to his upside and felt he could be a key part of the top 6. Earlier in the video Kelley had asked Stan if he liked Reichel and all Stan said was "I like him a lot." He also liked Guhle because he said the question between Guhle and Reichel was which one had higher value at 17. And Kelley said Guhle could be a pillar. That sounds to me like Stan and Kelley both discussing the two players and both men liking both players but both preferring Reichel for his upside. Montreal settled the matter at 16. I never got the impression Stan dictated who the Hawks would take. And let's remember, there are other picks in a draft besides the first rounder and someone has evaluate these players and decide who to take in rds. 2-7. I'm betting it's not Stan. |
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