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Post by LordKOTL on Feb 5, 2021 9:26:23 GMT -6
Just like Merp said. There’s laws in place to protect people. Speaking of laws. Maybe I don’t understand this part of law that well but I’m guessing it’s probably the same across the board. My buddy works in Michigan and lives in Canada. In order for his visa to be renewed for a 3rd time, he has to get a green card and be a citizen. Now, he can live where ever he chooses, but he has to have his citizenship in order to keep working. Is this the same for an athlete on an entertainment visa? Toews home address is there and he has to apply for a visa every 3 years I believe. Maybe less for that visa as the entertainment industry shifts quite a bit, especially sports. Anyone know about this? I know it’s a bit off topic, but I’ve always wondered this. Kinda like how Beiber is still living legally in the USA and not really working!!! I believe that a non-US citizen can apply for legal permanent residence without becoming a citizen. Some jobs may require it, though. I know there are conditional greencards, but you can apply for ones without conditions after certain criteria are met. I don't know about athletes or entertainers (and quite frankly please please PLEASE take Justin Bieber back...and Celine Dion while you're at it! We're willing to keep Ogie Oglethorpe) and what conditions they might have on their Greencard. For all we know they could have permanent residence status and have enough money that they would not become "burdens of the state". Technically my wife could have remained working the job she's had for years and had no ill effects except for a lesser social security percentage payout vs. her pay-in if she wanted to never become a US Citizen since her greencard had no conditions after we were married a number of years. She did become a citizen (dual, in fact). so at this point it's moot for us. |
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Post by vonbeck on Feb 5, 2021 10:49:43 GMT -6
Just like Merp said. There’s laws in place to protect people. Speaking of laws. Maybe I don’t understand this part of law that well but I’m guessing it’s probably the same across the board. My buddy works in Michigan and lives in Canada. In order for his visa to be renewed for a 3rd time, he has to get a green card and be a citizen. Now, he can live where ever he chooses, but he has to have his citizenship in order to keep working. Is this the same for an athlete on an entertainment visa? Toews home address is there and he has to apply for a visa every 3 years I believe. Maybe less for that visa as the entertainment industry shifts quite a bit, especially sports. Anyone know about this? I know it’s a bit off topic, but I’ve always wondered this. Kinda like how Beiber is still living legally in the USA and not really working!!! I believe that a non-US citizen can apply for legal permanent residence without becoming a citizen. Some jobs may require it, though. I know there are conditional greencards, but you can apply for ones without conditions after certain criteria are met. I don't know about athletes or entertainers (and quite frankly please please PLEASE take Justin Bieber back...and Celine Dion while you're at it! We're willing to keep Ogie Oglethorpe) and what conditions they might have on their Greencard. For all we know they could have permanent residence status and have enough money that they would not become "burdens of the state". Technically my wife could have remained working the job she's had for years and had no ill effects except for a lesser social security percentage payout vs. her pay-in if she wanted to never become a US Citizen since her greencard had no conditions after we were married a number of years. She did become a citizen (dual, in fact). so at this point it's moot for us. Ya get an LOL just for the Beebs, Celine Dion, Ogie comment... |
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Post by hsbob on Feb 5, 2021 11:48:05 GMT -6
Just like Merp said. There’s laws in place to protect people. Speaking of laws. Maybe I don’t understand this part of law that well but I’m guessing it’s probably the same across the board. My buddy works in Michigan and lives in Canada. In order for his visa to be renewed for a 3rd time, he has to get a green card and be a citizen. Now, he can live where ever he chooses, but he has to have his citizenship in order to keep working. Is this the same for an athlete on an entertainment visa? Toews home address is there and he has to apply for a visa every 3 years I believe. Maybe less for that visa as the entertainment industry shifts quite a bit, especially sports. Anyone know about this? I know it’s a bit off topic, but I’ve always wondered this. Kinda like how Beiber is still living legally in the USA and not really working!!! Hundreds if not thousands of Canadian and European hockey players played most if not all of their careers in the US so I don't know why JT would have this problem. |
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Post by BigT on Feb 5, 2021 16:08:26 GMT -6
Just like Merp said. There’s laws in place to protect people. Speaking of laws. Maybe I don’t understand this part of law that well but I’m guessing it’s probably the same across the board. My buddy works in Michigan and lives in Canada. In order for his visa to be renewed for a 3rd time, he has to get a green card and be a citizen. Now, he can live where ever he chooses, but he has to have his citizenship in order to keep working. Is this the same for an athlete on an entertainment visa? Toews home address is there and he has to apply for a visa every 3 years I believe. Maybe less for that visa as the entertainment industry shifts quite a bit, especially sports. Anyone know about this? I know it’s a bit off topic, but I’ve always wondered this. Kinda like how Beiber is still living legally in the USA and not really working!!! Hundreds if not thousands of Canadian and European hockey players played most if not all of their careers in the US so I don't know why JT would have this problem. I don’t really think JT has any issues at all. I was just asking if he needed to obtain a green card if he continued to work in the US like my buddy!!! |
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Post by davebrau on Feb 20, 2021 14:18:23 GMT -6
so is the captain done? just wondering what everyone is thinking i myself think he is.. at least for this season.. but my gut says hes done for good.. :/ i just hope hes ok...  |
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Post by BigT on Feb 20, 2021 17:31:56 GMT -6
so is the captain done? just wondering what everyone is thinking i myself think he is.. at least for this season.. but my gut says hes done for good.. :/ i just hope hes ok... I’m not sure what to think. Toews has been getting more and more pissed. He was visibly upset last year. I’m pretty sure he and Stan Bowman do not get along. I’ve heard another story along the same lines as what Merper told. That Toews had a blowup with Stan. He threatened Stan multiple times and Stan and the org said that was unacceptable and he needs to seek help before he’s welcomed back. Hence the reason why it’s said that he’s not feeling right in the head etc. But again, I heard this through someone I know that works in the NHL. But it may just be a rumour. But we keep hearing about this blowup that Toews had on Stan. And I’ve learned, where there’s smoke....... there’s hippies!!! |
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Post by galaxytrash on Feb 20, 2021 17:56:33 GMT -6
so is the captain done? just wondering what everyone is thinking i myself think he is.. at least for this season.. but my gut says hes done for good.. :/ i just hope hes ok... I’m not sure what to think. Toews has been getting more and more pissed. He was visibly upset last year. I’m pretty sure he and Stan Bowman do not get along. I’ve heard another story along the same lines as what Merper told. That Toews had a blowup with Stan. He threatened Stan multiple times and Stan and the org said that was unacceptable and he needs to seek help before he’s welcomed back. Hence the reason why it’s said that he’s not feeling right in the head etc. But again, I heard this through someone I know that works in the NHL. But it may just be a rumour. But we keep hearing about this blowup that Toews had on Stan. And I’ve learned, where there’s smoke....... there’s hippies!!! wow. |
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Post by BigT on Feb 20, 2021 18:26:53 GMT -6
I want to make it clear. I do not spread filth on these boards. Not saying anyone is saying that. I just shared a story I heard. So I hope no one thinks I made up a theory and plastered it here. I love Toews and hope it’s nothing serious. But when you add up all the things we’ve heard. It’s starting to sound plausible, where as a month ago, I’d of said no way.
Sometimes people have a lot going wrong in their lives and they snap. I’m starting to think this happened here. And if it did. I will tip my cap the Stan for not calling him out and taking this public. I know a lot of people that would!!!
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Post by shooter61 on Feb 20, 2021 19:41:45 GMT -6
I've heard so many different reasons, from so many different people, some who should have an idea, and others that heard from a friend of a friend, unless someone has something concrete, not hearsay , or what they think is going on, or rumor they heard, I'm not interested in hearing it
I know nothing of a blow up with Stan, and if it was a blow up bad enough to send him home, I'm sure they would have released him , not keep him on the payroll relaxing at home,
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Post by BigT on Feb 20, 2021 21:49:54 GMT -6
I've heard so many different reasons, from so many different people, some who should have an idea, and others that heard from a friend of a friend, unless someone has something concrete, not hearsay , or what they think is going on, or rumor they heard, I'm not interested in hearing it I know nothing of a blow up with Stan, and if it was a blow up bad enough to send him home, I'm sure they would have released him , not keep him on the payroll relaxing at home, Well, it doesn’t work that way. They can’t release him, it’s not legally possible. He’s a cash cow for the org. He’s probably going through a lot of shit, lashed out, and the org and him probably came up with a reason for him to be out so he could get things in order. It’s called being a human. I don’t know 100% if this is true. But it was someone I usually see as reliable. I don’t post many things on here unless I’m quite sure about it. And this sounded pretty good. I’ve also heard Merper say the same type thing. When Bowman can as asked about the “internet rumours” of Toews having ALS. Stan laughed and said “no, the internet rumours are not true”. So he sounded like he know more but just didn’t want to say anything. Toews long time girlfriend broke up with him. A couple of his best friends were let go by the Hawks. Maybe he had enough? Snapped and this is a good thing. There’s a reason he’s not even coming around the Hawks at all. Even Dach and Seabs are coming around, and Seabs may never play again. So something is weird here!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Feb 21, 2021 9:45:30 GMT -6
One possibility is JT and SB are both telling the truth too but speculation will happen. I've tried to resist due to JT saying he didn't feel right and asking for privacy and I was relieved to hear SB say it's nothing scary.
I do think it's fair to make observations though and mine's the fact that I saw JT play some of his best hockey in some time in the bubble PO's and I won't go there but he also voiced some displeasure with the team's direction. His play and his statement are public property so I won't take exception to those who speculate but personally,I'll go on believing the the guy and hope for the best.
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Post by shooter61 on Feb 21, 2021 9:47:56 GMT -6
So something is weird here!!!........I agree, but I'm not going to speculate , It doesn't make sense to me , that a blow up against stan , would go this far, look around the league, at what happened in NY, their has to be something more here, I just don't know what , if it was a head problem , their is no way they could keep it this quiet, this long, again just my 2 cents worth
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Post by T-man2010 on Feb 21, 2021 12:32:13 GMT -6
One possibility is JT and SB are both telling the truth too but speculation will happen. I've tried to resist due to JT saying he didn't feel right and asking for privacy and I was relieved to hear SB say it's nothing scary. I do think it's fair to make observations though and mine's the fact that I saw JT play some of his best hockey in some time in the bubble PO's and I won't go there but he also voiced some displeasure with the team's direction. His play and his statement are public property so I won't take exception to those who speculate but personally, I'll go on believing the the guy and hope for the best. I agree 100% with that POV. But at the same time I wonder how he feels the direction is going now watching these kids play their hearts out and Kane saying it's been fun playing with the kids. I just think that JT playing would probably give the Hawks 2-3 more wins, or less loses, depending on how you look at it. That's why I think it is a personal problem JT is dealing with and not SB, JC or team related. He's always been a true captain, probably the best captain the Hawks have had since Stan. Or even Sutter. Not to mention how much these kids like Suter, Hagel, Kurashev and Strome learn from JT. You can see they've learned from Kane. This is just my uninformed opinion. |
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Post by ebonyraptor on Feb 21, 2021 12:47:44 GMT -6
The notion that the problem with Toews is related to a difference in the way the Hawks are being managed seems pretty far fetched to me. Not so much that there couldn't be some truth to Toews believing there is an irreparable difference of opinion - but that Toews is handling it this way. If he doesn't want to play for Stan/JC - then why not seek a trade rather than simply going away. That line of thinking doesn't make sense to me. I think there is more to this than merely a stubbornness on Toews part.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2021 16:23:58 GMT -6
Just weighing in again.
I am a firm believer based on my sources that there was a very heated exchange between Toews and Bowman in the offseason after both Saad was traded away and Crawford was told to walk.
I do not believe that is the reason he is still MIA. That would have led to a fine and maybe a suspension but not a lengthy absence.
I still believe the absence to be a medical one but will not speculate on the severity of the issue any longer. To me, that ship has run its course. Whatever is going on is his private business and those claiming to know the truth should stop spreading things while others should just hope and pray for the best possible outcome.
As I have said in here before, if he returns that is phenomenal. If we never see him play again, while unfortunate and sad to have another abrupt ending ala Hossa and what I think is going to end up being Seabrook, too, then I just hope he lives a long and happy life and attends as many future Blackhawks functions and tributes/honors as possible.
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Post by galaxytrash on Feb 22, 2021 5:13:13 GMT -6
this article is a couple weeks old but just reading bowman's quotes it almost seems like this issue could be more mental than physical, like it's more up to jonny himself rather than the illness as to his his timeline back to the rink. And finally, there have been scary rumors swirling on social media about Jonathan Toews' health and Bowman dispelled those.
"His status is the same as it was the last time we spoke of it, but nothing has changed as far as all these crazy things you're hearing or speculating," Bowman said. "That's not the case. But I think the important thing that we've tried to communicate to Jonathan is that just take your time, take care of yourself, when you're ready, you're ready. We'd love to welcome him back whenever that is, but until that happens we're just going to let him ... he's on his own timeline.
"We're not trying to call him daily to ask him how he's feeling, I think it's better to let him ... we know how much he loves being the leader of the team and when he's ready, he's going to be back here. We're not going to have to pull him back. So until that happens, we wish him the best and we know he'll be back when he's ready."www.nbcsports.com/chicago/blackhawks/blackhawks-stan-bowman-provides-updates-kirby-dach-brent-seabrook-jonathan-toewsanyways, i hope it is something mental rather than physical that he's dealing with. about this breakup with his girlfriend (lindsey vecchione) there are a surprising amount of websites devoted to athletes and their wives/girlfriends and not one that i looked at (that covered jt and his gal) mentioned anything about a breakup. of course that doesn't mean it hasn't happened. but i thought it a bit strange that it wasn't out there somewhere. |
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Post by BigT on Feb 22, 2021 7:48:00 GMT -6
The notion that the problem with Toews is related to a difference in the way the Hawks are being managed seems pretty far fetched to me. Not so much that there couldn't be some truth to Toews believing there is an irreparable difference of opinion - but that Toews is handling it this way. If he doesn't want to play for Stan/JC - then why not seek a trade rather than simply going away. That line of thinking doesn't make sense to me. I think there is more to this than merely a stubbornness on Toews part. I honestly think he’s dealing with something. He’s not an asshole. But I do believe the rumours of him snapping on Bowman are true and pushed under the rug. Which is probably due to his mental health at this time. Hence why Stan said in that article GT posted that they’re not even calling him to see if he’s ready. They’re letting him figure things out. My best guess is he sits out the year. Figures things out, does some soul searching and finds a remedy to what ails him. When depressed, one symptom is being fatigued. It could be that or a litany of other things. But the tv interview I seen with Stan, he didn’t looked too concerned and it seemed like this was on Jonny o figure out!!! |
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Post by BigT on Feb 22, 2021 7:50:01 GMT -6
One last thing I’ll add. When Bowman clearly says about Seabrook “I’m very concerned about him”. Then there’s reason to think for the worst. But with Toews, he didn’t say nothing of the sort. Not even close!!!
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Post by hsbob on Feb 22, 2021 9:16:33 GMT -6
One last thing I’ll add. When Bowman clearly says about Seabrook “I’m very concerned about him”. Then there’s reason to think for the worst. But with Toews, he didn’t say nothing of the sort. Not even close!!! I'll give both JC and SB the benefit of the doubt on that situation but I see 'spin' on Seabs' situation. Full participation in last summer's camp and he looked good by nearly all accounts before opting out voluntarily. He mentioned not feeling "comfortable" yet but feeling good and he also mentioned being away from his family for a long time and the virus might have entered into things too.....his statement...... www.nhl.com/blackhawks/video/seabrook-on-not-going-to-hub-city/t-277437096/c-5390498Five more months of rehab and conditioning lead to a "tweaked back"(the team's own words) so severe it's "very concerning"? I guess he and Zach Smith must have injured their backs in the same horrible "tweaking" disaster the first day back!LOL! |
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Post by BigT on Feb 22, 2021 10:29:27 GMT -6
One last thing I’ll add. When Bowman clearly says about Seabrook “I’m very concerned about him”. Then there’s reason to think for the worst. But with Toews, he didn’t say nothing of the sort. Not even close!!! I'll give both JC and SB the benefit of the doubt on that situation but I see 'spin' on Seabs' situation. Full participation in last summer's camp and he looked good by nearly all accounts before opting out voluntarily. He mentioned not feeling "comfortable" yet but feeling good and he also mentioned being away from his family for a long time and the virus might have entered into things too.....his statement...... www.nhl.com/blackhawks/video/seabrook-on-not-going-to-hub-city/t-277437096/c-5390498Five more months of rehab and conditioning lead to a "tweaked back"(the team's own words) so severe it's "very concerning"? I guess he and Zach Smith must have injured their backs in the same horrible "tweaking" disaster the first day back!LOL! While I fully agree with this. I’m just merely stating that Stan is very concerned for Seabs but pretty much laughed off the “internet rumours”. Which leads me to think that Toews issues are more along the lines of mental, and maybe the blowup that has been mentioned more than once is true? I mean, if you snap and threaten your employer. We have to look past sports here and look at real life. It usually doesn’t go very well. Again, I’m not saying that it did happen, but there’s multiple people saying this now. So if, and that’s an IF that is true about the blowup. This whole thing makes much more sense to me. Why wouldn’t they want him around the team at all? Seabs has been. A lot by the sounds of it. Maybe the rumours of Stan wanting to give Kane the “C” are true? And he told Toews and he snapped? Many scenarios to be had, that’s for sure. But the longer this goes on without a diagnosis, the more I feel the blowup is the reason. He has the best drs on the planet looking after him, and considering what happened with Bickell, I’m sure he’s already been tested for that!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Feb 22, 2021 12:12:40 GMT -6
There is a lot of mystery surrounding the situation but I'm still taking JT at his word,that doesn't mean I'm right though. Who are the multiple people and have any said it publicly? Not saying you're wrong,just wondering how much info ANYONE has on this.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 12:53:05 GMT -6
Seabs definitely has a back issue but I believe he and Stan and some others have an agreement to leave him unprotected in the expansion draft and for Seattle to take him where he will be the first captain of that franchise.
I don't think Seabs ever plays another game for the Blackhawks, sadly.
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Post by LordKOTL on Feb 23, 2021 9:42:28 GMT -6
Seabs definitely has a back issue but I believe he and Stan and some others have an agreement to leave him unprotected in the expansion draft and for Seattle to take him where he will be the first captain of that franchise. I don't think Seabs ever plays another game for the Blackhawks, sadly. I'm assuming no one is waiving until it's announced though official media that they do--if they do. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Mar 17, 2021 17:44:11 GMT -6
just another comment from bowman that leaves you wondering, but perhaps it can be seen as good news.
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Post by BigT on Mar 17, 2021 20:08:11 GMT -6
just another comment from bowman that leaves you wondering, but perhaps it can be seen as good news. I was out tonight for a wee bit with someone who works in the NHL. I won’t mention names. He was out for literally 45 mins and he had to go. I had talked to this individual about Toews. He clearly told me that Toews had a blow up with Stan. Again, this could be rumours. But our good friend Merper wrote the same thing who has possibly better info than in would ever get. It really sounds like Toews isn’t happy with the direction of the Hawks and he’s had some mental trauma to soldier through. I’m not say this is right. I’m just saying that when multiple sources say the same thing, and I believe that Friedman has touched on this. It makes you think that maybe this was more or less internal strife? I’m not saying I’m right here. But if you heard the person I was talking to speak these words, and their clout. I think you’d at least give it a little cred!!! |
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Post by galaxytrash on Mar 17, 2021 20:34:30 GMT -6
just another comment from bowman that leaves you wondering, but perhaps it can be seen as good news. I was out tonight for a wee bit with someone who works in the NHL. I won’t mention names. He was out for literally 45 mins and he had to go. I had talked to this individual about Toews. He clearly told me that Toews had a blow up with Stan. Again, this could be rumours. But our good friend Merper wrote the same thing who has possibly better info than in would ever get. It really sounds like Toews isn’t happy with the direction of the Hawks and he’s had some mental trauma to soldier through. I’m not say this is right. I’m just saying that when multiple sources say the same thing, and I believe that Friedman has touched on this. It makes you think that maybe this was more or less internal strife? I’m not saying I’m right here. But if you heard the person I was talking to speak these words, and their clout. I think you’d at least give it a little cred!!! well....if it's a mental thing with toews, i hope that being upset with the direction of the team isn't the reason for it. i mean...jonny has a basement full of trophys, medals and awards. he's been a leader of this team from day one. it just doesn't fit for me. |
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Post by BigT on Mar 17, 2021 20:51:05 GMT -6
I was out tonight for a wee bit with someone who works in the NHL. I won’t mention names. He was out for literally 45 mins and he had to go. I had talked to this individual about Toews. He clearly told me that Toews had a blow up with Stan. Again, this could be rumours. But our good friend Merper wrote the same thing who has possibly better info than in would ever get. It really sounds like Toews isn’t happy with the direction of the Hawks and he’s had some mental trauma to soldier through. I’m not say this is right. I’m just saying that when multiple sources say the same thing, and I believe that Friedman has touched on this. It makes you think that maybe this was more or less internal strife? I’m not saying I’m right here. But if you heard the person I was talking to speak these words, and their clout. I think you’d at least give it a little cred!!! well....if it's a mental thing with toews, i hope that being upset with the direction of the team isn't the reason for it. i mean...jonny has a basement full of trophys, medals and awards. he's been a leader of this team from day one. it just doesn't fit for me. Me neither. But exactly what you ended with, could be the reason keeping him out. I heard that Kane has completely turned himself around and has checked his ego at the door and he’s as good as everyone else in his eyes. Where as Toews seems to be a bit more entitled. That’s the feeling I get. But again. I haven’t talked to the people involved in this. And I doubt most have. But neither of us can deny the fact that Kane has been the ultimate leader through all of this. That’s not to say Toews isn’t at all. But maybe he needed a wee bit of time to step back and appreciate what he has? Maybe he is sick? From what I heard. If the Hawks are in the playoffs. Toews is back 💯!!! |
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Post by galaxytrash on Mar 17, 2021 20:54:47 GMT -6
well....if it's a mental thing with toews, i hope that being upset with the direction of the team isn't the reason for it. i mean...jonny has a basement full of trophys, medals and awards. he's been a leader of this team from day one. it just doesn't fit for me. Me neither. But exactly what you ended with, could be the reason keeping him out. I heard that Kane has completely turned himself around and has checked his ego at the door and he’s as good as everyone else in his eyes. Where as Toews seems to be a bit more entitled. That’s the feeling I get. But again. I haven’t talked to the people involved in this. And I doubt most have. But neither of us can deny the fact that Kane has been the ultimate leader through all of this. That’s not to say Toews isn’t at all. But maybe he needed a wee bit of time to step back and appreciate what he has? Maybe he is sick? From what I heard. If the Hawks are in the playoffs. Toews is back 💯!!! so jonny is too entitled to check his ego at the door? again....that doesn't sound like the guy i know but i don't actually know him so who knows? not me. i sure wish i did though. |
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Post by BigT on Mar 17, 2021 21:07:20 GMT -6
Me neither. But exactly what you ended with, could be the reason keeping him out. I heard that Kane has completely turned himself around and has checked his ego at the door and he’s as good as everyone else in his eyes. Where as Toews seems to be a bit more entitled. That’s the feeling I get. But again. I haven’t talked to the people involved in this. And I doubt most have. But neither of us can deny the fact that Kane has been the ultimate leader through all of this. That’s not to say Toews isn’t at all. But maybe he needed a wee bit of time to step back and appreciate what he has? Maybe he is sick? From what I heard. If the Hawks are in the playoffs. Toews is back 💯!!! so jonny is too entitled to check his ego at the door? again....that doesn't sound like the guy i know but i don't actually know him so who knows? not me. i sure wish i did though. I’m gonna go on a limb and say almost all NHLers have an ego. I’m friends with an NHLer. And to be honest, he’s a great guy, but it would be hard to be in their “circle” of friends. They have money like you wouldn’t believe, know people that you wouldn’t think of. They just have everything, especially if they play in a big city. I’m not saying they’re not good people at heart, but they have such an exclusive life style it’s not really funny. Even for the great Toews it’s easy to get caught up in yourself. To the guy I know in the NHL. He has said time and time again..... “I’ll do anything to stay in the NHL, they treat you better than the president”. On top of that, the money, the game etc. He also said that Canadian teams spend a lot extra to make sure you get the best hotels, meals, plane rides and whatever you need to make you appreciate it more. And I’m sure the Hawks have done that and then some to make Toews and co the happiest bunch possible!!! |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Mar 17, 2021 21:45:31 GMT -6
Maybe it's a combination of things, the direction of the team and losing two more great friends in Crawford and for the second time, Saad, plus his relationship with his long time girlfriend has ended and maybe concussion symptoms, all that could lead to depression.
Hopefully seeing Kane and the kids playing above expectations has helped with his mood and he's training too return.
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