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Post by steamer on Jul 11, 2022 10:16:46 GMT -6
Let's not forget the Sillinger kid who looks like his going to be a special player and Boqvist, plus the talented Dmen they just got at #6. This did not have to happen. And consider the damage 9.5M coulda done in taking on a bad deal or two with picks attached. Could have a blue-line of 21yro Sieder,20yro Sillinger and 22yro Joker right now.....SERIOUSLY.......THE HORROR! Paying D-Cat and Strome anything seems to be tabu while a contract kicks in that bothers no one....wait to see what happens in 4 years when and if the future superstars need new deals and Seth Jones is absolutely un-tradable. Yeah the Seth Jones contract is quite the parting gift from the former GM. A #1 D-man contract for a #2 D-man and way way way too long. |
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Post by Nikos on Jul 11, 2022 10:21:00 GMT -6
Let's not forget the Sillinger kid who looks like his going to be a special player and Boqvist, plus the talented Dmen they just got at #6. This did not have to happen. And consider the damage 9.5M coulda done in taking on a bad deal or two with picks attached. Could have a blue-line of 21yro Sieder,20yro Sillinger and 22yro Joker right now.....SERIOUSLY.......THE HORROR! Paying D-Cat and Strome anything seems to be tabu while a contract kicks in that bothers no one....wait to see what happens in 4 years when and if the future superstars need new deals and Seth Jones is absolutely un-tradable. Did you have to bring up the $9.5M too  I would have loved to be the room when Bowman approached management and said he was making this deal and signing him for $76m total. The Blue Jackets GM is still laughing, and I am sure sorry that Bowman is still not around. Jones basically said he was only going to accept a trade to the Hawks or possibly the Stars, although with Miro Heiskanen signing a long term deal a few days earlier, Hawks were basically only left. The Blue Jackets GM was going to lose him for NOTHING and along came Bowman, like Paul Revere to the rescue. |
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Post by steamer on Jul 11, 2022 10:26:22 GMT -6
And consider the damage 9.5M coulda done in taking on a bad deal or two with picks attached. Could have a blue-line of 21yro Sieder,20yro Sillinger and 22yro Joker right now.....SERIOUSLY.......THE HORROR! Paying D-Cat and Strome anything seems to be tabu while a contract kicks in that bothers no one....wait to see what happens in 4 years when and if the future superstars need new deals and Seth Jones is absolutely un-tradable. Did you have to bring up the $9.5M too I would have loved to be the room when Bowman approached management and said he was making this deal and signing him for $76m total. The Blue Jackets GM is still laughing, and I am sure sorry that Bowman is still not around. Jones basically said he was only going to accept a trade to the Hawks or possibly the Stars, although with Miro Heiskanen signing a long term deal a few days earlier, Hawks were basically only left. The Blue Jackets GM was going to lose him for NOTHING and along came Bowman, like Paul Revere to the rescue. "One if by land; $9.5mm if by sea" |
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Post by hsbob on Jul 11, 2022 10:30:30 GMT -6
You would think that every team would want a 1st rd. pick. And these "experts" would know that. I doubt very much KD would have traded away their only first for Jones. Or even trade for the guy anyway. The Hawks 1st rd pick would have been #6, that the BJ's got. So they traded and got #7 & 13 this year. The sad part is some of those so-called "experts" vote on trophies...so they are the same overrated bloggers who thought Hossa was unworthy od a Selke hecause he was a winger. They are the hockey equivalent of Geraldo and Al Capone's vault. A lot of the negativity for the 'hawks performance by the experts parrots the feelings of the bandwagoner fans out there: they are operating under the assumption that the 'hawks were trying to get better and make a playoff push, rather than fix the damage of the last regime, and start rebuilding. Yeah, we should have got more for Debrincat, but when I hear those "experts" parrot the fans about how Dach was "A skilled young center you can build around" I wonder if they actually watch hockey, or the ice follies: 9G and 30% at the dot is not someone you build around no matter how young they are, and if a 13th falls into your lap for that type of player, you take it. Long game. "Experts" don't get it, so why listen to them or read their rags?" As I said 1,001 times I understand the trade and I’ll understand when K&T go too,as a matter of fact.....I’ll embrace it as I have the D-cat trade. As far as those bandwagon fans,many of em are Chicagoans who don’t follow the team the way a few handfuls of us do and some are STH’s who actually pay the freight vs worshipping the team from afar. Theyve been promised greatness to come MANY times right after watching another young superstar leave Chicago just when he’s due a payday. Of course there’s more to these trades than salary dumps and the Org better dam well message that! I think we can agree the average hockey fan or especially the average STH doesn’t follow the team the way we do(very few do at this point) and the promise of a few 18yros plying up in Frostbite Falls will have a hard time overcoming a last place team with all the good players gone. I lived through a lot of promises since I attended my first Black Hawk’s game back in’64’......only one came true. |
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Post by hsbob on Jul 11, 2022 10:32:37 GMT -6
That what ya call it? LOL! JK T-man,this place has the highest quality hockey chat around my man and I do my best to dilute it with my know nothing,Chicago fan boy opinions. I like this site and seeing all the different comments and opinions. I guess a couple dozen others do too - all must have a love of hockey as the common denominator. Why else would adults spend this much time on line? Have learned a lot and have a lot more to go! You add a lot too my friend. |
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Post by steamer on Jul 11, 2022 10:43:18 GMT -6
I like this site and seeing all the different comments and opinions. I guess a couple dozen others do too - all must have a love of hockey as the common denominator. Why else would adults spend this much time on line? Have learned a lot and have a lot more to go! You add a lot too my friend. Thanks! Well I always look forward to your posts as invariably you point out something I hadn't thought of - and you make your views quite clear! It's gonna be a rough ride ahead for the Hawks and I agree it's hard to trust this ownership but I want to see them build this back. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Jul 11, 2022 16:09:43 GMT -6
The sad part is some of those so-called "experts" vote on trophies...so they are the same overrated bloggers who thought Hossa was unworthy od a Selke hecause he was a winger. They are the hockey equivalent of Geraldo and Al Capone's vault. A lot of the negativity for the 'hawks performance by the experts parrots the feelings of the bandwagoner fans out there: they are operating under the assumption that the 'hawks were trying to get better and make a playoff push, rather than fix the damage of the last regime, and start rebuilding. Yeah, we should have got more for Debrincat, but when I hear those "experts" parrot the fans about how Dach was "A skilled young center you can build around" I wonder if they actually watch hockey, or the ice follies: 9G and 30% at the dot is not someone you build around no matter how young they are, and if a 13th falls into your lap for that type of player, you take it. Long game. "Experts" don't get it, so why listen to them or read their rags?" As I said 1,001 times I understand the trade and I’ll understand when K&T go too,as a matter of fact.....I’ll embrace it as I have the D-cat trade. As far as those bandwagon fans,many of em are Chicagoans who don’t follow the team the way a few handfuls of us do and some are STH’s who actually pay the freight vs worshipping the team from afar. Theyve been promised greatness to come MANY times right after watching another young superstar leave Chicago just when he’s due a payday. Of course there’s more to these trades than salary dumps and the Org better dam well message that! I think we can agree the average hockey fan or especially the average STH doesn’t follow the team the way we do(very few do at this point) and the promise of a few 18yros plying up in Frostbite Falls will have a hard time overcoming a last place team with all the good players gone. I lived through a lot of promises since I attended my first Black Hawk’s game back in’64’......only one came true. You're not the one I'm griping about to be fair. Most people here aren't. Even the Bandwagoners and casual fans I'm not griping about. It's the so-calked experts who should be seeing things like the seasoned fans, but instead sound like the uneducated, new hockey fans, or uneducated bandwagoners. When you see some journalist who votes for the hockey awards saying something like "Dach is a skilled center to build around and the 'hawks were stupid for letting him go", you really have to question which cracker jack box they got their journalism degree from and if they even watch hockey. Dach, by eye-test and stats, was not showing his skill. Maybe he got ruined, maybe he could pull it out eventually. But when a 9G/30%FO center can get you the 13 OA pick, you make that trade. Anyone who follows hockey would want that deal. That doesn't mean I won't wish Dach luck, or Debrincat. Or any 'hawk who left. But those so-called experts with their Ecklund-like hot takes piss me off. I'd be fired from my job if I showed that much lack of knowledge in a field I'm considered an expert in... ... ... ...and they likely make more money than we do. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jul 11, 2022 16:58:13 GMT -6
As I said 1,001 times I understand the trade and I’ll understand when K&T go too,as a matter of fact.....I’ll embrace it as I have the D-cat trade. As far as those bandwagon fans,many of em are Chicagoans who don’t follow the team the way a few handfuls of us do and some are STH’s who actually pay the freight vs worshipping the team from afar. Theyve been promised greatness to come MANY times right after watching another young superstar leave Chicago just when he’s due a payday. Of course there’s more to these trades than salary dumps and the Org better dam well message that! I think we can agree the average hockey fan or especially the average STH doesn’t follow the team the way we do(very few do at this point) and the promise of a few 18yros plying up in Frostbite Falls will have a hard time overcoming a last place team with all the good players gone. I lived through a lot of promises since I attended my first Black Hawk’s game back in’64’......only one came true. You're not the one I'm griping about to be fair. Most people here aren't. Even the Bandwagoners and casual fans I'm not griping about. It's the so-calked experts who should be seeing things like the seasoned fans, but instead sound like the uneducated, new hockey fans, or uneducated bandwagoners. When you see some journalist who votes for the hockey awards saying something like "Dach is a skilled center to build around and the 'hawks were stupid for letting him go", you really have to question which cracker jack box they got their journalism degree from and if they even watch hockey. Dach, by eye-test and stats, was not showing his skill. Maybe he got ruined, maybe he could pull it out eventually. But when a 9G/30%FO center can get you the 13 OA pick, you make that trade. Anyone who follows hockey would want that deal. That doesn't mean I won't wish Dach luck, or Debrincat. Or any 'hawk who left. But those so-called experts with their Ecklund-like hot takes piss me off. I'd be fired from my job if I showed that much lack of knowledge in a field I'm considered an expert in... ... ... ...and they likely make more money than we do. It's hilarious how the "experts" are saying the Habs got their 2C in Dach, he was barely a 3C in Chicago. 40% at faceoffs in the WHL and 30 in the NHL, horrible numbers. I'd much rather have Nazar and Hayes. |
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Post by gigecj on Jul 11, 2022 18:18:17 GMT -6
I think this approach was the way to go for the beloved. That said, I think Tazer and Kaner are now truly expendable under these circumstances. Since #19 has been looking cross-eyed at a rebuild, and this is now a long-term rebuild, he may just be ok with a trade elsewhere to a team that's ready to sip the champagne. Kaner is now the only one to fear and will be working on passing to himself. It could be time for him as well. Now that this team is steeped in it, I don't even see either Tazer or Kaner like the Sedin twins for Vancouver in their last couple of years or so. Been a while gig. Nice to see you back. |
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Post by gigecj on Jul 11, 2022 18:18:51 GMT -6
Thank you GT.
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Post by LordKOTL on Jul 11, 2022 18:34:13 GMT -6
You're not the one I'm griping about to be fair. Most people here aren't. Even the Bandwagoners and casual fans I'm not griping about. It's the so-calked experts who should be seeing things like the seasoned fans, but instead sound like the uneducated, new hockey fans, or uneducated bandwagoners. When you see some journalist who votes for the hockey awards saying something like "Dach is a skilled center to build around and the 'hawks were stupid for letting him go", you really have to question which cracker jack box they got their journalism degree from and if they even watch hockey. Dach, by eye-test and stats, was not showing his skill. Maybe he got ruined, maybe he could pull it out eventually. But when a 9G/30%FO center can get you the 13 OA pick, you make that trade. Anyone who follows hockey would want that deal. That doesn't mean I won't wish Dach luck, or Debrincat. Or any 'hawk who left. But those so-called experts with their Ecklund-like hot takes piss me off. I'd be fired from my job if I showed that much lack of knowledge in a field I'm considered an expert in... ... ... ...and they likely make more money than we do. It's hilarious how the "experts" are saying the Habs got their 2C in Dach, he was barely a 3C in Chicago. 40% at faceoffs in the WHL and 30 in the NHL, horrible numbers. I'd much rather have Nazar and Savoie. Exactly. Not to hose Dach prematurely; he could develop after all is said and done, especially with a change of scenery, but 9G/~30% last season for a center? That's not a bonafied #2, that's barely a #3, if even. Maybe if he develops he will be a #2, but it's a gamble on whether or not he develops. Montreal got a project for a #13 OA, not a #2. They're betting that he can develop. Now, if the return was a depth pic, by all means we should have kept him. But 13th? You make that move. Period. |
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Post by bigbarn27 on Jul 11, 2022 20:07:20 GMT -6
It's hilarious how the "experts" are saying the Habs got their 2C in Dach, he was barely a 3C in Chicago. 40% at faceoffs in the WHL and 30 in the NHL, horrible numbers. I'd much rather have Nazar and Savoie. Exactly. Not to hose Dach prematurely; he could develop after all is said and done, especially with a change of scenery, but 9G/~30% last season for a center? That's not a bonafied #2, that's barely a #3, if even. Maybe if he develops he will be a #2, but it's a gamble on whether or not he develops. Montreal got a project for a #13 OA, not a #2. They're betting that he can develop. Now, if the return was a depth pic, by all means we should have kept him. But 13th? You make that move. Period. As most on here know I’m a Dach guy do I make that trade I’m not sure do I like the pick at 13 hell yes. Gotta remember as Lord and others have pointed out these writers need to sensationalize everything they are looking for clicks. Even the way I feel about 77 I would not say he is someone you can build around. Anyone watching knows it’s hoping not knowing. |
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Post by BigT on Jul 11, 2022 20:28:28 GMT -6
It's hilarious how the "experts" are saying the Habs got their 2C in Dach, he was barely a 3C in Chicago. 40% at faceoffs in the WHL and 30 in the NHL, horrible numbers. I'd much rather have Nazar and Savoie. Exactly. Not to hose Dach prematurely; he could develop after all is said and done, especially with a change of scenery, but 9G/~30% last season for a center? That's not a bonafied #2, that's barely a #3, if even. Maybe if he develops he will be a #2, but it's a gamble on whether or not he develops. Montreal got a project for a #13 OA, not a #2. They're betting that he can develop. Now, if the return was a depth pic, by all means we should have kept him. But 13th? You make that move. Period. I have to say. The Montreal media will eat him up. I’m gonna go on a limb and say that he’s a bust. He may be an NHL player. But I doubt he’s a legit star or 60-70 point guy. That was just a very bad draft year. I hope some more make it, but the reality is that’s just one of those years. There was a reason the Hawks were so bad. It’s players like him that are holding the team back. Honestly. Dach never helped this team at all. He got a goal every 9 games on average. That’s not very good. Especially when you had a shot at playing with Patrick Kane for a bit more than a cup of coffee. It’s time to move on from underachievers. Hope the Canadian boy does well elsewhere. But it doesn’t look too promising!!! |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jul 11, 2022 22:02:04 GMT -6
Exactly. Not to hose Dach prematurely; he could develop after all is said and done, especially with a change of scenery, but 9G/~30% last season for a center? That's not a bonafied #2, that's barely a #3, if even. Maybe if he develops he will be a #2, but it's a gamble on whether or not he develops. Montreal got a project for a #13 OA, not a #2. They're betting that he can develop. Now, if the return was a depth pic, by all means we should have kept him. But 13th? You make that move. Period. I have to say. The Montreal media will eat him up. I’m gonna go on a limb and say that he’s a bust. He may be an NHL player. But I doubt he’s a legit star or 60-70 point guy. That was just a very bad draft year. I hope some more make it, but the reality is that’s just one of those years. There was a reason the Hawks were so bad. It’s players like him that are holding the team back. Honestly. Dach never helped this team at all. He got a goal every 9 games on average. That’s not very good. Especially when you had a shot at playing with Patrick Kane for a bit more than a cup of coffee. It’s time to move on from underachievers. Hope the Canadian boy does well elsewhere. But it doesn’t look too promising!!! I've been making excuses for Kirby for a while but he might only be a 3rd liner, maybe a 2nd in his prime. Definitely not a franchise player. He couldn't handle the pressure in Chicago, Montreal can break people and KD is fragile. I think the Hawks have the bigger better Dach. He was around 50% at faceoffs last season and put up good numbers. Plus Colton has a much better shot and plays hard. And Nazars going to be a huge upgrade over Kirby and Savoie is a nice bonus, could be a Marchand type of player, great to have on our side. |
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Post by BigT on Jul 11, 2022 22:27:24 GMT -6
I have to say. The Montreal media will eat him up. I’m gonna go on a limb and say that he’s a bust. He may be an NHL player. But I doubt he’s a legit star or 60-70 point guy. That was just a very bad draft year. I hope some more make it, but the reality is that’s just one of those years. There was a reason the Hawks were so bad. It’s players like him that are holding the team back. Honestly. Dach never helped this team at all. He got a goal every 9 games on average. That’s not very good. Especially when you had a shot at playing with Patrick Kane for a bit more than a cup of coffee. It’s time to move on from underachievers. Hope the Canadian boy does well elsewhere. But it doesn’t look too promising!!! I've been making excuses for Kirby for a while but he might only be a 3rd liner, maybe a 2nd in his prime. Definitely not a franchise player. He couldn't handle the pressure in Chicago, Montreal can break people and KD is fragile. I think the Hawks have the bigger better Dach. He was around 50% at faceoffs last season and put up good numbers. Plus Colton has a much better shot and plays hard. And Nazars going to be a huge upgrade over Kirby and Savoie is a nice bonus, could be a Marchand type of player, great to have on our side. Fuckin rights brother! It’s finally nice to have something to look forward too again. Also it must be nice to be drafted by the Hawks. They’re not getting rid of prospects, they’re hoarding them and giving anyone and everyone a shot. The only thing is, when you said “KD is fragile”. I thought you meant Davidson. And I was hoping that he’s not fragile. Hahaha!!! |
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Post by steamer on Jul 12, 2022 9:18:46 GMT -6
As has been said many times - just hope the org is patient with all these guys. More patient than I am frankly as I would love to see a Nazar and Korchinski play on the big club come October but it just doesn't make sense. A lot of 'em are heading for college hockey which let's them grow up (although college didn't help me grow up! ) - or to one of the other leagues to get experience. If this is done right, they should have a very interesting team a couple years from now. |
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Post by gigecj on Jul 12, 2022 14:39:57 GMT -6
While I do so support the total rebuild, if not a single one of the "future" plays this next season, and there is no Kane nor Toews, their marketing folks have to become the experts' experts. Wow! Why the in heck would someone want to drop big time coin on a product that is not only bad, but completely irrelevant?
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Post by phill9 on Jul 12, 2022 14:47:57 GMT -6
While I do so support the total rebuild, if not a single one of the "future" plays this next season, and there is no Kane nor Toews, their marketing folks have to become the experts' experts. Wow! Why the in heck would someone want to drop big time coin on a product that is not only bad, but completely irrelevant? I already gave them their marketing slogan: We aren't tanking, we just suck! That should get the fans in! 😆 |
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Post by T-man2010 on Jul 12, 2022 14:51:06 GMT -6
While I do so support the total rebuild, if not a single one of the "future" plays this next season, and there is no Kane nor Toews, their marketing folks have to become the experts' experts. Wow! Why the in heck would someone want to drop big time coin on a product that is not only bad, but completely irrelevant? Same reason people watched during the 00's not really sure if any of those kids were going to be the core they turned out to be. Not to mention going to games to see other teams, not just divisional rivals, and their stars. |
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Post by gigecj on Jul 12, 2022 14:57:04 GMT -6
Yeah, I guess I'm just not that huge of a hockey fan to drop that kind of coin. I'm good with the TV broadcast if I want to see the stars on other teams.
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Post by steamer on Jul 12, 2022 15:43:50 GMT -6
People paid big bucks to see their offensive leaders Kyle Calder and Tyler Arnason.
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Post by Nikos on Jul 12, 2022 15:48:51 GMT -6
People paid big bucks to see their offensive leaders Kyle Calder and Tyler Arnason. Do not forget about Mark Bell, rounding out the ABC line |
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Post by steamer on Jul 12, 2022 15:55:41 GMT -6
People paid big bucks to see their offensive leaders Kyle Calder and Tyler Arnason. Do not forget about Mark Bell, rounding out the ABC line That’s right - thanks! This year’s 1st line may make them look outstanding! |
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Post by Nikos on Jul 12, 2022 16:03:54 GMT -6
Do not forget about Mark Bell, rounding out the ABC line That’s right - thanks! This year’s 1st line may make them look outstanding! Liked Bell, he ran into some injury issues, he had skill along with a little nastiness. |
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Post by steamer on Jul 12, 2022 16:09:37 GMT -6
Forgot that right after Hawks traded Bell, he was involved in a DUI incident in California where he hit a stopped vehicle doing 60 mph causing injuries but no deaths.
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Post by BigT on Jul 12, 2022 16:23:19 GMT -6
People paid big bucks to see their offensive leaders Kyle Calder and Tyler Arnason. The difference back then. That was the rebuild. Those were supposed to be our saviours. Anyways. I think the plan is solid. I’ve been calling for this for a few years now. The team was mismanaged. Now it’s time for the other side of entropy. Chaos or a total balance. We’re now in chaos. So. The best news is. If the Hawks finish last overall. The worst they can fall to is #3 overall. Which will either be Matvei Mishkov, or Adam Fantilli. And that’s the worst the Hawks can fall to. So selecting #1,2,3 overall next year is a great thing. Fingers crossed for Bedard. Even Fantilli is looking like a Sakic type player or Yzerman etc. so there’s good reason to finish last!!! |
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Post by T-man2010 on Jul 12, 2022 16:58:40 GMT -6
Yeah, I guess I'm just not that huge of a hockey fan to drop that kind of coin. I'm good with the TV broadcast if I want to see the stars on other teams. Hawks priced me out of season tickets when they raised the prices from $4 to $6 then to $8. I was out at that point. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 12, 2022 17:46:33 GMT -6
Yeah, I guess I'm just not that huge of a hockey fan to drop that kind of coin. I'm good with the TV broadcast if I want to see the stars on other teams. Hawks priced me out of season tickets when they raised the prices from $4 to $6 then to $8. I was out at that point. Wow. My guess is when they went to artificial ice they had to raise prices. : D |
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Post by gigecj on Jul 12, 2022 18:51:46 GMT -6
People paid big bucks to see their offensive leaders Kyle Calder and Tyler Arnason. As I recall however, even if overrated, the guys on the ABC Line were still considered reasons for folks to go see the Hawks. I don't know that we'll have anyone of that ilk this next season. |
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Post by BigT on Jul 12, 2022 19:01:31 GMT -6
People paid big bucks to see their offensive leaders Kyle Calder and Tyler Arnason. As I recall however, even if overrated, the guys on the ABC Line were still considered reasons for folks to go see the Hawks. I don't know that we'll have anyone of that ilk this next season. While you’re probably right. This time it’s not about cheaping out. It’s about getting as many assets as the Hawks can. So far they’ve done a good job in that dept. I think the plan is clear. Suck bad for 2 years to have a solid 12-15 years of awesomeness. Also congrats on moving on to the next chapter buddy. Enjoy the fruits of all your labour!!! |
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I would have loved to be the room when Bowman approached management and said he was making this deal and signing him for $76m total. The Blue Jackets GM is still laughing, and I am sure sorry that Bowman is still not around. Jones basically said he was only going to accept a trade to the Hawks or possibly the Stars, although with Miro Heiskanen signing a long term deal a few days earlier, Hawks were basically only left. The Blue Jackets GM was going to lose him for NOTHING and along came Bowman, like Paul Revere to the rescue.
