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Aug 17, 2022 23:02:11 GMT -6
Post by bigbarn27 on Aug 17, 2022 23:02:11 GMT -6
Gutsy effort by 43 white bad turnover at the end.
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Post by galaxytrash on Aug 18, 2022 0:13:17 GMT -6
just saw the hilites. just goes to show the importance of a hot goalie this late in the tourney, and also the importance of allowing a bad goal.
it makes canada's path easier but still a bummer to see the americans eliminated. i think most of us here (the north americans anyways) would've loved a canada/u.s. finish, no matter what side of the border you're on.
canada likely without ridley greig the rest of the way due to a shoulder injury against the swiss.
it was nice that del mastro took the swiss guy's number and knocked him on his wallet shortly after.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Aug 18, 2022 5:30:31 GMT -6
just saw the hilites. just goes to show the importance of a hot goalie this late in the tourney, and also the importance of allowing a bad goal. it makes canada's path easier but still a bummer to see the americans eliminated. i think most of us here (the north americans anyways) would've loved a canada/u.s. finish, no matter what side of the border you're on. canada likely without ridley greig the rest of the way due to a shoulder injury against the swiss. it was nice that del mastro took the swiss guy's number and knocked him on his wallet shortly after. That's a tough loss and a hot goalie is huge in a tournament like this. Should've taken Nazar lol Every game Del Mastro has put someone on their wallet, his first shift of the tournament he stepped up at his blueline and rocked a guy. Missed the first game because he was a late arrival, played on the 3rd pair in game two and he's been put on the 2nd pair since then with Cormier. |
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Post by BigT on Aug 18, 2022 7:18:01 GMT -6
Not whining about the hit. But Greig didn’t even have the puck and was hit pretty hard. Should a been an interference call. Just 2 mins. But the injury sucks. He’s been huge so far.
Del Mastro will captain team Canada in December. He’s really stepping up. I love when a guy isn’t supposed to be n the team gets a call up. Then he works his way into the lineup. Now he’s a mainstay in the lineup!!!
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Post by tincup on Aug 18, 2022 11:18:42 GMT -6
I agree that Canada should not be banned. The NFL doesn’t ban the Houston Texans from playing because of Watson’s transgressions. If we banned current employees for transgressions done by their predecessors then we'd always be without government representation. Hmmm.... |
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WJC'S
Aug 20, 2022 8:47:35 GMT -6
Post by hsbob on Aug 20, 2022 8:47:35 GMT -6
I agree that Canada should not be banned. The NFL doesn’t ban the Houston Texans from playing because of Watson’s transgressions. This is an apples to oranges comparison for a few reasons IMO. Watson's alleged actions were those of an adult,on his own time and away from the team,he was just suspended 11 games and fined 5 million bucks and rightly so. I agree with those who refuse to blame current Canadian Jr players who had nothing to do with what happened years ago but the Organizational failure that allowed 17-18yro, testosterone fueled boys who are supposed to have adult supervision to get liquored-up,get a 18yro girl illegally liquored up and then orchestrate a gang-bang should have serious repercussions. These are still basically CHILDREN who should be chaperoned to the extent of being in their rooms at 9 or 10,resting and preparing for the next day's practice or game,not out drinking and chasing........pro players have curfews for God's sake. Hockey Canada failed these children IMO! It's happened more than once. I also think anyone relying on an iPhone video of 'consent' will be real disappointed in this instance. To be fair,let's consider the alleged victim a woman who is of the age of consent,feed this 18yro 'woman' alcohol to the point of total intoxication three years before she's legally allowed to drink and then call in a bunch of buddies to have their way and see what a judge does with that 'consent'! |
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WJC'S
Aug 20, 2022 9:22:30 GMT -6
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Aug 20, 2022 9:22:30 GMT -6
Stankoven won 21 faceoffs against the Czechs, 91%, plus had 1g-1a. He was the highest ranked at faceoffs before the game at just under 70%.
And I don't know why Del Mastro was taken off the top4 for almost 2 periods when his D partner was a turnover machine. Vs the Swiss Cormier had 3 turnovers in one shift and Del covered for him twice but he couldn't do it 3 times.
Yeah Cormier had an amazing year in the Q with 33g and 81pts but he hasn't looked good for team Canada.
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WJC'S
Aug 20, 2022 17:15:42 GMT -6
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Post by BigT on Aug 20, 2022 17:15:42 GMT -6
I say Canada wins this 5-2. This whole tourney was weird. I’m glad we didn’t go to see it. I think the atmosphere has been awful. Only 12,000 expected for tonight’s game. Pretty pathetic. I hope it’s a solid game, and the crowd makes the atmosphere a lot better than it’s been. Goooooo Canada!!!
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WJC'S
Aug 20, 2022 18:06:21 GMT -6
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Post by galaxytrash on Aug 20, 2022 18:06:21 GMT -6
I say Canada wins this 5-2. This whole tourney was weird. I’m glad we didn’t go to see it. I think the atmosphere has been awful. Only 12,000 expected for tonight’s game. Pretty pathetic. I hope it’s a solid game, and the crowd makes the atmosphere a lot better than it’s been. Goooooo Canada!!! it's taken me a while but i've learned now to never under estimate the finns, whether it's men or women playing. |
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Post by BigT on Aug 20, 2022 22:26:43 GMT -6
I say Canada wins this 5-2. This whole tourney was weird. I’m glad we didn’t go to see it. I think the atmosphere has been awful. Only 12,000 expected for tonight’s game. Pretty pathetic. I hope it’s a solid game, and the crowd makes the atmosphere a lot better than it’s been. Goooooo Canada!!! it's taken me a while but i've learned now to never under estimate the finns, whether it's men or women playing. They made a hell of a game outta it. McTavish made the save of all time. Very fun ending. Crowd was almost full too. Kent Johnson is a great young hockey player. McTavish is the real deal. Zellweger is awesome. Del Mastro looked good, and not just cuz he’s Hawks property. I look forward to the real Xmas tourney. Should be quite a few Hawks in it!!! |
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Post by tincup on Aug 20, 2022 22:27:02 GMT -6
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Post by galaxytrash on Aug 20, 2022 22:36:21 GMT -6
not a fan of a 3 on 3 overtime in a gold medal game but i have to admit that the 200 seconds of it was pretty bloody intense.
the finns came within a whisker of a gold medal
powerplays were so lopsided this game. by my count 13:05 pp time for canada compared to finland's :55 seconds. i didn't really see any missed calls although i did miss a bit of the game due to the dodgy website i was watching the game on. still, it seemed canada was playing a pretty disciplined game.
before the game, i think they said that canada's pp was at 57% and that the finns had scored half of their goals with the man advantage.
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Post by galaxytrash on Aug 20, 2022 22:39:19 GMT -6
that overhead angle really shows how skilled that save was. |
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Post by Tater on Aug 21, 2022 1:54:45 GMT -6
Dayam!!! That was sweet. Congrats to Canada.
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WJC'S
Aug 21, 2022 8:01:54 GMT -6
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Post by BigT on Aug 21, 2022 8:01:54 GMT -6
Possibly one of the greatest plays of all time. And it wasn’t a goal being scored. What a play by McTavish. He’s got a lot of Toews in him. Calm, cool, and gets results. I watched him for 7 games against my Spitfires. He was always the best player on the ice. Anaheim has a beauty in him!!!
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Aug 21, 2022 11:07:10 GMT -6
Post by jacksalmon on Aug 21, 2022 11:07:10 GMT -6
I wonder if Edmonton will set the record for the shittiest attendance of all time? Or set the record for worst attendance percentage per total seats. Example. Windsors WFCU Center seats 6500. If Edmonton gets that, the Rogers center will be roughly 1/3 full. Not good attendance at all. But in Windsor that’d be awesome. So if Edmonton gets 3000 for a game, that’s only about 14% full. So I wonder what the worst percentage full an arena was at the WJC? Last thing I’ll say on that front is this. Shouldn’t Jr hockey he played in Jr hockey cities? Windsor or London would be amazing. Rimouski or Halifax. Plymouth (Michigan) has the USTDP arena there. I’ve been there a dozen times. They could hold some games, only 45 mins from Windsor. There’s places around the Chicagoland area that could host it. Hockey is pretty big there now amongst kids playing. Just put it where it belongs. In hockey grass roots places. Not in buildings that have 20,000 seats. That’s not J |
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WJC'S
Aug 21, 2022 11:11:43 GMT -6
Post by jacksalmon on Aug 21, 2022 11:11:43 GMT -6
I wonder if Edmonton will set the record for the shittiest attendance of all time? Or set the record for worst attendance percentage per total seats. Example. Windsors WFCU Center seats 6500. If Edmonton gets that, the Rogers center will be roughly 1/3 full. Not good attendance at all. But in Windsor that’d be awesome. So if Edmonton gets 3000 for a game, that’s only about 14% full. So I wonder what the worst percentage full an arena was at the WJC? Last thing I’ll say on that front is this. Shouldn’t Jr hockey he played in Jr hockey cities? Windsor or London would be amazing. Rimouski or Halifax. Plymouth (Michigan) has the USTDP arena there. I’ve been there a dozen times. They could hold some games, only 45 mins from Windsor. There’s places around the Chicagoland area that could host it. Hockey is pretty big there now amongst kids playing. Just put it where it belongs. In hockey grass roots places. Not in buildings that have 20,000 seats. That’s not Jr hockey!!! As I recall, Edmonton is a Junior hockey city with the Oil Kings, unless they disbanded without sending me a notice. |
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WJC'S
Aug 22, 2022 5:36:29 GMT -6
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Aug 22, 2022 5:36:29 GMT -6
There's a few factors why attendance was low, the 2018 scandal, summer time, and ticket prices.
The average attendance for Canada was 4000, only 1500 for other teams. It was 13,000 for the gold medal game.
And the host city sets the ticket prices and of course Rogers Place is owned by Katz who doesn't care about fans. The cheapest tickets were $60 and most expensive were just under $500.
Watching games or concerts at Rogers sucks, the seats are close and it's $14 a beer.
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Post by BigT on Aug 22, 2022 6:11:01 GMT -6
There's a few factors why attendance was low, the 2018 scandal, summer time, and ticket prices. The average attendance for Canada was 4000, only 1500 for other teams. It was 13,000 for the gold medal game. And the host city sets the ticket prices and of course Rogers Place is owned by Katz who doesn't care about fans. The cheapest tickets were $60 and most expensive was just under $500. Watching games or concerts at Rogers sucks, the seats are close and it's $14 a beer. Sad sad thing is. As long as people keep paying that much. They’ll keep charging. It’d be nice if fans started staying away and stopped buying beer. I’m all for these people charging 7-8$ a beer. But after that it’s gouging!!! |
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Post by steamer on Aug 22, 2022 11:10:17 GMT -6
There's a few factors why attendance was low, the 2018 scandal, summer time, and ticket prices. The average attendance for Canada was 4000, only 1500 for other teams. It was 13,000 for the gold medal game. And the host city sets the ticket prices and of course Rogers Place is owned by Katz who doesn't care about fans. The cheapest tickets were $60 and most expensive was just under $500. Watching games or concerts at Rogers sucks, the seats are close and it's $14 a beer. $14 Canadian is about $11 US - which is about where the "major" venues are for beer these days - unfortunately. A ripoff - you better believe it but like so many things these days, we don't seem to have much say in it other than staying away. |
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Post by steamer on Aug 22, 2022 11:13:48 GMT -6
Possibly one of the greatest plays of all time. And it wasn’t a goal being scored. What a play by McTavish. He’s got a lot of Toews in him. Calm, cool, and gets results. I watched him for 7 games against my Spitfires. He was always the best player on the ice. Anaheim has a beauty in him!!! Ducks are assembling quite the group of young talent. They should be an interesting team to watch over the next couple of years. |
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WJC'S
Aug 22, 2022 13:53:01 GMT -6
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Post by Nikos on Aug 22, 2022 13:53:01 GMT -6
Possibly one of the greatest plays of all time. And it wasn’t a goal being scored. What a play by McTavish. He’s got a lot of Toews in him. Calm, cool, and gets results. I watched him for 7 games against my Spitfires. He was always the best player on the ice. Anaheim has a beauty in him!!! Ducks are assembling quite the group of young talent. They should be an interesting team to watch over the next couple of years. I know some were hoping or suggesting McTavish be included in a potential Debrincat trade, his play in this tournament basically confirmed my belief any trade with Ducks for the Cat he was not going to be included. Not even sure if those trade talks between the Ducks actually happened or were even discussed. This is the type of player when you draft at the top of the draft (3rd overall) you need to come away with. They also have Olen Zellweger, a D prospect who made the World Jrs. all-star tournament team. According to Bedard (presumptive #1 2023 pick) he is "crazy good". Zellweger a second pick 34th overall just confirms how important the early second round of the draft, especially in 2023 draft which according to most is very deep. To get Mctavish and Zellweger in same draft not too shabby. Were these Bob Murray's selections? Pretty sure he was placed on administrative leave by the Ducks in November of 2021 and resigned shortly thereafter. |
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WJC'S
Aug 23, 2022 18:52:40 GMT -6
Post by bigbarn27 on Aug 23, 2022 18:52:40 GMT -6
So it was one and done for having the captains pass out medals ?
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WJC'S
Aug 24, 2022 6:55:55 GMT -6
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Post by BigT on Aug 24, 2022 6:55:55 GMT -6
Ducks are assembling quite the group of young talent. They should be an interesting team to watch over the next couple of years. I know some were hoping or suggesting McTavish be included in a potential Debrincat trade, his play in this tournament basically confirmed my belief any trade with Ducks for the Cat he was not going to be included. Not even sure if those trade talks between the Ducks actually happened or were even discussed. This is the type of player when you draft at the top of the draft (3rd overall) you need to come away with. They also have Olen Zellweger, a D prospect who made the World Jrs. all-star tournament team. According to Bedard (presumptive #1 2023 pick) he is "crazy good". Zellweger a second pick 34th overall just confirms how important the early second round of the draft, especially in 2023 draft which according to most is very deep. To get Mctavish and Zellweger in same draft not too shabby. Were these Bob Murray's selections? Pretty sure he was placed on administrative leave by the Ducks in November of 2021 and resigned shortly thereafter. I agree. I don’t wanna rehash the old what Dcats worth is. But a rebuilding team isn’t trading a 3rd overall pick that looks very promising for an expensive player. Not gonna happen. I’m sure trade talks took place. But not for McTavish. I think we can all see that due to the contract. Dcat wasn’t going to fetch much. And looking at S Jones. There’s a massive problem trying to move that contract too. So theres no way in a year from now, let’s say Nazar has the same type performance. And the Hawks have a decent nucleus of players including Bedard. They’re not going to trade Nazar who looks promising for a good player with a big contract. We’re gonna be holding on to kids. Kinda like the Ducks!!! |
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WJC'S
Aug 24, 2022 10:02:00 GMT -6
Post by hsbob on Aug 24, 2022 10:02:00 GMT -6
Ducks are assembling quite the group of young talent. They should be an interesting team to watch over the next couple of years. I know some were hoping or suggesting McTavish be included in a potential Debrincat trade, his play in this tournament basically confirmed my belief any trade with Ducks for the Cat he was not going to be included. Not even sure if those trade talks between the Ducks actually happened or were even discussed. This is the type of player when you draft at the top of the draft (3rd overall) you need to come away with. They also have Olen Zellweger, a D prospect who made the World Jrs. all-star tournament team. According to Bedard (presumptive #1 2023 pick) he is "crazy good". Zellweger a second pick 34th overall just confirms how important the early second round of the draft, especially in 2023 draft which according to most is very deep. To get Mctavish and Zellweger in same draft not too shabby. Were these Bob Murray's selections? Pretty sure he was placed on administrative leave by the Ducks in November of 2021 and resigned shortly thereafter. To the bolded,isn't this exactly what was being said in Chicago just three years ago about their #3 overall? A highly touted,big,raw-boned,Western Canadian,two-way center should have checked a lot of boxes but as it is,we're already highly touting his replacement three short years later. The Ducks ain't a contender yet and should be hanging onto their 'highly touted' prospects but don't you see a 'bird in hand' aspect of a proven,24yro, 35-40 goal scorer to a team that's close vs waiting on a 'highly touted' prospect.....if they even have one? Let's say kids like Bedard and McTavish live up to their billing and let's say they become reliable 35-40 goal scorers too @24............what will they want in 5 years when they're done with their ELC and a bridge deal? Bettman said revenues are going up and the cap should follow.........will these kids want McDavid $$$ IF they average 35 goals per over their first 5 years? If they do,are they also moved for 'highly touted' prospects? When you add Zegras to the group of young Ducks(Ducklings?....LOL!),they join a long list of teams with a 'highly touted,can't miss' group of youngsters......most missed....so far. |
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WJC'S
Aug 24, 2022 11:09:49 GMT -6
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Post by Nikos on Aug 24, 2022 11:09:49 GMT -6
I know some were hoping or suggesting McTavish be included in a potential Debrincat trade, his play in this tournament basically confirmed my belief any trade with Ducks for the Cat he was not going to be included. Not even sure if those trade talks between the Ducks actually happened or were even discussed. This is the type of player when you draft at the top of the draft (3rd overall) you need to come away with. They also have Olen Zellweger, a D prospect who made the World Jrs. all-star tournament team. According to Bedard (presumptive #1 2023 pick) he is "crazy good". Zellweger a second pick 34th overall just confirms how important the early second round of the draft, especially in 2023 draft which according to most is very deep. To get Mctavish and Zellweger in same draft not too shabby. Were these Bob Murray's selections? Pretty sure he was placed on administrative leave by the Ducks in November of 2021 and resigned shortly thereafter. To the bolded,isn't this exactly what was being said in Chicago just three years ago about their #3 overall? A highly touted,big,raw-boned,Western Canadian,two-way center should have checked a lot of boxes but as it is,we're already highly touting his replacement three short years later. The Ducks ain't a contender yet and should be hanging onto their 'highly touted' prospects but don't you see a 'bird in hand' aspect of a proven,24yro, 35-40 goal scorer to a team that's close vs waiting on a 'highly touted' prospect.....if they even have one? Let's say kids like Bedard and McTavish live up to their billing and let's say they become reliable 35-40 goal scorers too @24............what will they want in 5 years when they're done with their ELC and a bridge deal? Bettman said revenues are going up and the cap should follow.........will these kids want McDavid $$$ IF they average 35 goals per over their first 5 years? If they do,are they also moved for 'highly touted' prospects? When you add Zegras to the group of young Ducks(Ducklings?....LOL!),they join a long list of teams with a 'highly touted,can't miss' group of youngsters......most missed....so far. Sure we were told that Dach checked many of the boxes and 3 years later we hear possibly a 3rd line center. Time will tell but most likely he will never be what they said and what we hoped for. Maybe he will prosper and grow in Montreal, we'll see. I understand your point proven is better than potential, but many factors going into trading for a player and where you are as a team (contender, ready to contend or rebuild or always rebuilding). Ottawa who I believe is ready to contend and try to take the next step was comfortable giving up picks, but not prospects, particularly high end. After watching McTavish it just confirmed to me what others were saying about him even before the world juniors, most likely a special player. Dach will most likely go down as a miss in IMO, same with Boqvist, both top ten picks. Sure, they might turn out to have decent NHL careers, but do not see them as franchise players (#1 C & top 2 D). McTavish has a good chance to be that special player. As far as what these players will ask and get in 5 years the simple answer is more than what players with similar ability and potential are getting now, to your point cap will go up and the upper echelon group of players will be rewarded. Look at football where a few years go only quarterbacks were getting $20-$30 annually, now wide receivers, and some defensive positions are in that range. |
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Post by hsbob on Aug 24, 2022 12:22:55 GMT -6
To the bolded,isn't this exactly what was being said in Chicago just three years ago about their #3 overall? A highly touted,big,raw-boned,Western Canadian,two-way center should have checked a lot of boxes but as it is,we're already highly touting his replacement three short years later. The Ducks ain't a contender yet and should be hanging onto their 'highly touted' prospects but don't you see a 'bird in hand' aspect of a proven,24yro, 35-40 goal scorer to a team that's close vs waiting on a 'highly touted' prospect.....if they even have one? Let's say kids like Bedard and McTavish live up to their billing and let's say they become reliable 35-40 goal scorers too @24............what will they want in 5 years when they're done with their ELC and a bridge deal? Bettman said revenues are going up and the cap should follow.........will these kids want McDavid $$$ IF they average 35 goals per over their first 5 years? If they do,are they also moved for 'highly touted' prospects? When you add Zegras to the group of young Ducks(Ducklings?....LOL!),they join a long list of teams with a 'highly touted,can't miss' group of youngsters......most missed....so far. Sure we were told that Dach checked many of the boxes and 3 years later we hear possibly a 3rd line center. Time will tell but most likely he will never be what they said and what we hoped for. Maybe he will prosper and grow in Montreal, we'll see. I understand your point proven is better than potential, but many factors going into trading for a player and where you are as a team (contender, ready to contend or rebuild or always rebuilding). Ottawa who I believe is ready to contend and try to take the next step was comfortable giving up picks, but not prospects, particularly high end. After watching McTavish it just confirmed to me what others were saying about him even before the world juniors, most likely a special player. Dach will most likely go down as a miss in IMO, same with Boqvist, both top ten picks. Sure, they might turn out to have decent NHL careers, but do not see them as franchise players (#1 C & top 2 D). McTavish has a good chance to be that special player. As far as what these players will ask and get in 5 years the simple answer is more than what players with similar ability and potential are getting now, to your point cap will go up and the upper echelon group of players will be rewarded. Look at football where a few years go only quarterbacks were getting $20-$30 annually, now wide receivers, and some defensive positions are in that range. As you went on to say,many factors go into 'proven vs potential' and we all see an advantage of building not just one or two but a group of young,highly skilled prospects for a team just beginning it's rebuild. Ottawa has already traded away their Stone's and Karlsson's to build what appears to be quite the group of NHL ready,young players,adding a proven,win now 24yro for a 7th overall pick makes sense for a team at their point of their rebuild IMO. I agree that D-Cat's upcoming 9M salary and resulting 9M QO isn't a value contract(more of a market-value contract) but his low 6.4M cap hit this year could allow Ott to pursue another addition like Chychrun and a full season for the team and D-Cat both to see how it goes before making any decision. If the two sides are unable to reach a deal and D-cat produces at the pace of the last two seasons,the Sens could still flip the player at the TDL for a better haul than they gave up........in a much deeper draft. Yeah,last year saw 17 players pot 40 or more and since we can throw out the preceding 56 game season that saw D-cat pot 32 in 52 games.......the five seasons prior saw 40 scored only 33 times(only 3 players did it in '16-17',5 in '19-20' and 8 in '17-18') by 24 different players.......only 6 players did it twice in that time span...Ovi four times. |
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Aug 24, 2022 15:24:31 GMT -6
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Post by Nikos on Aug 24, 2022 15:24:31 GMT -6
Sure we were told that Dach checked many of the boxes and 3 years later we hear possibly a 3rd line center. Time will tell but most likely he will never be what they said and what we hoped for. Maybe he will prosper and grow in Montreal, we'll see. I understand your point proven is better than potential, but many factors going into trading for a player and where you are as a team (contender, ready to contend or rebuild or always rebuilding). Ottawa who I believe is ready to contend and try to take the next step was comfortable giving up picks, but not prospects, particularly high end. After watching McTavish it just confirmed to me what others were saying about him even before the world juniors, most likely a special player. Dach will most likely go down as a miss in IMO, same with Boqvist, both top ten picks. Sure, they might turn out to have decent NHL careers, but do not see them as franchise players (#1 C & top 2 D). McTavish has a good chance to be that special player. As far as what these players will ask and get in 5 years the simple answer is more than what players with similar ability and potential are getting now, to your point cap will go up and the upper echelon group of players will be rewarded. Look at football where a few years go only quarterbacks were getting $20-$30 annually, now wide receivers, and some defensive positions are in that range. As you went on to say,many factors go into 'proven vs potential' and we all see an advantage of building not just one or two but a group of young,highly skilled prospects for a team just beginning it's rebuild. Ottawa has already traded away their Stone's and Karlsson's to build what appears to be quite the group of NHL ready,young players,adding a proven,win now 24yro for a 7th overall pick makes sense for a team at their point of their rebuild IMO. I agree that D-Cat's upcoming 9M salary and resulting 9M QO isn't a value contract(more of a market-value contract) but his low 6.4M cap hit this year could allow Ott to pursue another addition like Chychrun and a full season for the team and D-Cat both to see how it goes before making any decision. If the two sides are unable to reach a deal and D-cat produces at the pace of the last two seasons,the Sens could still flip the player at the TDL for a better haul than they gave up........in a much deeper draft. Yeah,last year saw 17 players pot 40 or more and since we can throw out the preceding 56 game season that saw D-cat pot 32 in 52 games.......the five seasons prior saw 40 scored only 33 times(only 3 players did it in '16-17',5 in '19-20' and 8 in '17-18') by 24 different players.......only 6 players did it twice in that time span...Ovi four times. hsbob: Good and valid point on the low AVV for the Cat which to your point allows Ottawa some cap flexibility to sign their own or pursue adding talent. I know some were focused on the $9M salary and $9M QO, but for a minimum of 1 year the Cat provides significant cap value for his high-end production. Might be one of the best deals out there for 2022-2023 season. |
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WJC'S
Aug 27, 2022 10:51:26 GMT -6
Post by hsbob on Aug 27, 2022 10:51:26 GMT -6
As you went on to say,many factors go into 'proven vs potential' and we all see an advantage of building not just one or two but a group of young,highly skilled prospects for a team just beginning it's rebuild. Ottawa has already traded away their Stone's and Karlsson's to build what appears to be quite the group of NHL ready,young players,adding a proven,win now 24yro for a 7th overall pick makes sense for a team at their point of their rebuild IMO. I agree that D-Cat's upcoming 9M salary and resulting 9M QO isn't a value contract(more of a market-value contract) but his low 6.4M cap hit this year could allow Ott to pursue another addition like Chychrun and a full season for the team and D-Cat both to see how it goes before making any decision. If the two sides are unable to reach a deal and D-cat produces at the pace of the last two seasons,the Sens could still flip the player at the TDL for a better haul than they gave up........in a much deeper draft. Yeah,last year saw 17 players pot 40 or more and since we can throw out the preceding 56 game season that saw D-cat pot 32 in 52 games.......the five seasons prior saw 40 scored only 33 times(only 3 players did it in '16-17',5 in '19-20' and 8 in '17-18') by 24 different players.......only 6 players did it twice in that time span...Ovi four times. hsbob: Good and valid point on the low AVV for the Cat which to your point allows Ottawa some cap flexibility to sign their own or pursue adding talent. I know some were focused on the $9M salary and $9M QO, but for a minimum of 1 year the Cat provides significant cap value for his high-end production. Might be one of the best deals out there for 2022-2023 season. D-Cat's continued RFA status after this year assures Ott that they'll have the player for two years if they QO him and they know the amount,this gives the team and the player two years to see if it's a fit and possibly two TDL's to move him if a re-do isn't in the cards. A 3rd consecutive elite-type season would puts him in a class with some real good/highly paid players. He's a valuable asset for them. Yeah,17 players potted 40 or more last year and let's throw-out the 56 game 20-21 season that saw only Matthews do it,while D-Cat potted 32,it was only done 33 times in the 5 full seasons prior. Only five 40 goal scorers in '19-20',four in '15-16' and three in '16-17',six players did it twice in that span.....Ovi four times. I said 'we had a Tiger by the tail' back in the summer of '20' in push-back against the criticism of an 18 goal,misused season........I feel vindicated by 73 goals and 134 points in 134 NHL games since. |
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